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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3
Link to previous thread ^ | 6/23/05 | freepers

Posted on 06/23/2005 10:44:51 AM PDT by stlnative

Previous FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923


Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.


Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.


PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)



I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE


Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)


This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.




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To: Palladin
When you rewatch Greta later, will you please listen to the part about WHO is resigning and leaving his post on July 15th? I understood the man speaking to say it is Van der Straaten, the Police Chief. Someone else heard it as being PVDS. Greta asked if the resignation had anything to do with this case, and the guy said "yes."

It was I and I could have misunderstood and got it wrong Palladin.

4,761 posted on 06/29/2005 8:53:17 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: toldyou

See TexKat's #4730.


4,762 posted on 06/29/2005 8:58:09 PM PDT by auboy ("woof")
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To: presently no screen name
I think that the 'slit throat killing' may have a connection w/Natalee's disappearance.

I found that curious also. The many public officials, etc. that were interviewed initially all sounded like a broken record stating what a low crime rate there was in Aruba and just "nothing like this ever happens here" blah blah. Then suddenly this guy turns up necktied (not your average method of murder) in the middle of this so-called investigation of Natalee. Was this a warning to others who have knowledge of Natalee's fate to keep their mouths shut?

4,763 posted on 06/29/2005 8:59:34 PM PDT by daybreakcoming
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To: brigette
they probably went to this guy because:

The question is not the guy they went to, the question is what was the mysterious phone call about that the Twitty's received from Aruba?

From SM:

Maybe they had received this mysterious phone call from the cellphone in Aruba. And maybe it was a ransom call which they thought might be a fake. And then right after that the chaperone calls and tells her Natalee's missing and she suddenly knows the ransom call wasn't a fake.

4,764 posted on 06/29/2005 9:00:44 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Palladin

It's the chief of police that is leaving


4,765 posted on 06/29/2005 9:01:11 PM PDT by sissyjane (Silk pajamas for dress up, and flannel for everyday-perfect Freeper wardrobe!!)
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To: varina davis

Ah you noticed BOR's rude manner with Greta also? Very transparent, wasn't it?


4,766 posted on 06/29/2005 9:01:18 PM PDT by daybreakcoming
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To: brigette

Mak Fuhrman said tonight that all their statements were too detailed. This is a sign that the perp is lying through his teeth. If they were innocent, there would be no need to concoct such elaborate stories.

Mark also pointed out that when a guilty perp is interviewed, his main defense will be a lie about the time of death. Most perps, he said, think mistakenly that LEA can pinpoint this to an exact moment. Since Joran and the Kalpoops are fixated on 2 a.m. in their tale, Mark thinks that is when Natalee died.

So, they left Carlos and Charlies at 1 a.m. I think the three did take her to the area of the California Lighthouse--about a 20 minute ride. Then each one had about 15 minutes to take his "turn" with her.

This would bring us to around 2 a.m., when Natalee met her final fate. Perhaps she became lucid enough to say, "I'm going to tell my Dad about all of you. He has Special Ops connections. They will take revenge". And so they murdered her...all three cooperating in the actual murder and body disposal.

All these other tales about coming and going and dropping off and leaving one another are G-damned lies.

They were all in on it, or one of the three would have turned on the others by now.


4,767 posted on 06/29/2005 9:01:50 PM PDT by Palladin (God Bless America!)
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To: cajungirl
Joran,,,it is all about him until the moment of reckoning. Then it is all someone else's fault.

He is a manipulative psychopath.

Absolutely, cajungirl. Sorry for not replying earlier. I was watching Greta, taking the dog out, and putting up English muffins to freeze.:-)

4,768 posted on 06/29/2005 9:03:05 PM PDT by auboy ("woof")
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To: auboy

You're good! Thanks!


4,769 posted on 06/29/2005 9:10:42 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: Pepper777; All

I'm watching the rerun of LKL. Tim Miller has the kindest face.....and he says he has renewed confidence that they will recover Natalee in the next few days. Natalee is his daughter, now, and the whole team has adopted her. If nothing else could give Beth comfort, I think this gentle man looking for Natalee could.


4,770 posted on 06/29/2005 9:12:08 PM PDT by Jrabbit
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To: auboy

I just read on Riehl's blog that one of Joran's girlfriends was interviewed for 4 hours today. I wonder which one? Maybe the brazen hussy he went to Caracas with--the one in all the drunken photos. (Including a photo with Joran in the shower stall--barely covered).

Investigators must be desperately searching for enough info to get the psycopath locked up for another sixty days.

That bimbo won't tell tham anything useful.


4,771 posted on 06/29/2005 9:14:56 PM PDT by Palladin (God Bless America!)
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To: All

LETTER WRITING CAMPAIGN FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY, “NOTES FOR NATALEE”.

This is a letter writing campaign started by family friend Sunny Tillman in hopes of creating and maintaining pressure for authorities to do everything possible to find Natalee Holloway. Everything starts at the grass roots and she is asking that we all take a little time out of our day and make a difference.

The letter from Sunny requests the following:

Please send a hand written note to the Ambassador at the Royal Netherlands Embassy in Washington, DC asking for the continued support from Holland in the search for Natalee Holloway. This campaign is intended to reflect the class, and dignity displayed by Natalee’s mother Beth over the past few weeks, and we ask that the content s of your letters do this as well. The goal of this campaign is to illustrate in numbers of mailed letters the number of American who care about Natalee and her family. We would ask out Scared Monkey readers to take a moment out of their day.

Suggested text …

Dear Mr. Ambassador

America wants to encourage you to do all you can to help find Natalee Holloway by supporting the use of state of the art technology in the investigation, and continuing to lend other technical support to the effort. We all thank you very much for your help and for your concern.

Address:
Mr. Boudewijn Johannes Van Eenennaam
Dutch Ambassador to the United States
The Royal Netherlands Embassy
4200 Linnean Ave, NW
Washington, DC 20008
(On the front of the envelop put, “PLEASE FIND NATALEE”



4,772 posted on 06/29/2005 9:22:34 PM PDT by Palladin (God Bless America!)
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To: TexKat

Charlies Croes does not know the Twitty's - he has a friend that was helping the twitty's. This person called Charlies Croes because he owns a cell phone rental co on th island.

Repeat of Greta...

Charlies Croes: There was apparently a cell phone call made and he was calling me, betting or hoping that the phone call was made from one of our phones, so that is why he called me.

Greta: What time did he call you?

Charlies Croes: About 11:30 (I take it was 11:30 pm Monday night as Charlies Croes met up with the mystery person and the Twitty's after this conversation at a gas station in Aruba.)

Greta: What did he say to you?

Charlies Croes: He told me that he needed my help and I asked him what it was about and he told me that it had something to do with a cellphone and I didn't relate to it anything but work at that point and he said there is a possibility that a phone call was made using one of our phones and I said "ok" and he said it is very very important and I said fine and I asked him to go into further details and he did and I made arrangements to go see him.

then the subject changes... (transcript will be out tomorrow)


4,773 posted on 06/29/2005 9:24:15 PM PDT by stlnative (please do NOT feed the THREAD trolls by responding to the thread troll's post)
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To: Palladin

Tonight, Greta asked the lead investigator that since the VDSs could now meet with Juran and Ms. Kalpoe could meet with her sons, what was to keep the parents from relaying info back to these three so they could keep their stories straight. IIRC, the lead investigator said nothing could. I don't think she was very happy about this turn of events.

I think that's what I saw - watching this travesty of justice is mindboggling and very, very sad.


4,774 posted on 06/29/2005 9:24:15 PM PDT by auboy ("woof")
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To: brigette

CORRECTION

I didn't relate to it anything but work at that point

I didn't relate anything to it but work at that point.


4,775 posted on 06/29/2005 9:26:35 PM PDT by stlnative (please do NOT feed the THREAD trolls by responding to the thread troll's post)
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To: Palladin
Investigators must be desperately searching for enough info to get the psycopath locked up for another sixty days.

And I'm quietly praying they are successful.

4,776 posted on 06/29/2005 9:30:31 PM PDT by auboy ("woof")
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To: Palladin; All
Jug talked to Senator Trent Lott (MS) today and Beth spoke to Senator Richard Shelby (AL) and they also spoke to the Embassy. Please keep emailing and calling their offices because it is helping.

Beth is having a really hard time and any little bit that we can do will help her spirits at least.

They just want to go home with their daughter. They don't care what LE in Aruba do with the criminals.

Write a letter/call/fax to the Holland government at:

Netherlands Embassy - Washington DC
4200 Linnean Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20008 - USA
202-244-5300 (phone)
202-362-3430 (fax)

Senator Trent Lott
487 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
Phone: (202) 224-6253
Fax: (202) 224-2262

Senator Richard Shelby
United States Senate
110 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
Telephone: (202) 224-5744
Fax: (202) 224-3416

THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PRAYERS AND SUPPORT!

4,777 posted on 06/29/2005 9:31:09 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: brigette

The phone call that is being asked about.....was this a call to the Twittys on Sunday night? Or has it been said yet who the call was to?


4,778 posted on 06/29/2005 9:32:08 PM PDT by Jrabbit
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To: kcvl; All

And here's Jeff Sessions info. The Twitty's may not know him personally, but he's a good man and a former prosecutor.

Washington, D.C.
Office of Senator Jeff Sessions
335 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510-0104
(202) 224-4124 - Phone
(202) 224-3149 - Fax

Birmingham
Office of Senator Jeff Sessions
341 Vance Federal Building
1800 Fifth Avenue North
Birmingham, Alabama 35203-2171
(205) 731-1500 - Phone
(205) 731-0221 - Fax

Huntsville
Office of Senator Jeff Sessions
AmSouth Center, Suite 802
200 Clinton Avenue NW
Huntsville, Alabama 35801-4932
(256) 533-0979 - Phone
(256) 533-0745 - Fax

Mobile
Office of Senator Jeff Sessions
41 West I-65 Service Road, Suite 2300-A
Mobile, Alabama 36608-1291
(251) 414-3083 - Phone
(251) 414-5845 - Fax

Montgomery
Office of Senator Jeff Sessions
7550 Halcyon Summit Drive, Suite 150
Montgomery, Alabama 36117
(334) 244-7017 - Phone
(334) 244-7091 Fax


4,779 posted on 06/29/2005 9:40:09 PM PDT by auboy ("woof")
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To: auboy

Thank you!


4,780 posted on 06/29/2005 9:41:04 PM PDT by kcvl
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