Odd Cast Boosts Immigration Reform

Denver Post ^ | 6/11/2005 | Editorial

[kellynla]

With an estimated 11 million or more illegal immigrants in the United States, it's clear that existing border policies have become a joke. They too often ignore the labor needs of the economy and, well, where do we begin about the lack of enforcement? The laws against illegal immigration and hiring undocumented workers are poorly enforced, when they are enforced at all.

Past efforts to update U.S. immigration laws have taken years. The task is among the most ticklish and difficult facing Congress, with social and economic ramifications along with diplomatic and domestic security impacts.

Some weeks ago, a serious effort to tackle the immigration headache was launched by Sens. John McCain, a border state Republicans, and Ted Kennedy, a Northeast liberal. This odd duck authorship represents the need to forge a broad consensus. Indeed, McCain-Kennedy is a rational approach that holds much promise if calm heads can prevail over demagoguery.

The McCain-Kennedy bill is in synch with many of President Bush's immigration-reform ideas, which increases the likelihood of success. (Also, the word out of Washington is the president now supports concepts he once opposed, such as not requiring illegal immigrants to return home to gain legal status.)

[chris1]

"Indeed, McCain-Kennedy is a rational approach that holds much promise if calm heads can prevail over demagoguery."


What a joke. These idiots should come to my neighborhood to see literally 100's of illegals in the street every day.

[cripplecreek]

"The McCain-Kennedy bill is in synch with many of President Bush's immigration-reform ideas, which increases the likelihood of success."



"We the people" don't seem to agree.

[austinite]

The task is among the most ticklish and difficult facing Congress, with social and economic ramifications along with diplomatic and domestic security impacts.

No it isn't. Just enforce the laws we already have. This is not rocket science here.

"Not this S--t again..."

[primeval patriot]

There's nothing odd about RINO's colluding with Democrats.

It's what they do.

[Vaduz]

McNuts and the swim expert are members of the good old boy club I wonder who is on the take.

[Recall]

This article infuriates me to no end. HELLO, there are saner heads who have been working on this problem a lot longer than McCain/Kennedy that we want to hear from. In my book Tancredo has to approve anything on the table. He know immigration up, down and sideways..and the loopholes they are trying to pass.

[kellynla]

"These idiots should come to my neighborhood to see literally 100's of illegals in the street every day."

That's just it, they refuse to see the forest from the proverbial trees. And the knee-jerk response will not occur until there is another 9/11...At which point, Americans will be totally fed up with the incompetency of D.C. and every Muslim in America will then have to pack up and go back to whatever hellhole they originated from.

Semper Fi,
Kelly

[Dane]

In my book Tancredo has to approve anything on the table. He know immigration up, down and sideways..and the loopholes they are trying to pass

Tancredo is to busy stabbing Tom Delay in the back to the liberal press.

There is also a more conservative Kyl/Cornyn, which the White House is more supportive of and it seems the Denver Post omitted.

[DumpsterDiver]

ping

[kellynla]

It's not rocket science, secure the borders(the W administration doesn't seem to have a problem doing it in Korea), deport the illegals including all the incarcerated with maybe the exception of those on death row which will not only free up slots for American criminals like the child molesters who are roaming about the country undetected but all cut prison costs and finally FINE EMPLOYERS who hire illegals.

Point, Game, Set, Match!

[kellynla]

"I wonder who is on the take"

Both

[Recall]

Now I'm really worried Dane. If YOU agree with the Kyl/Coryn bill it MUST be fishy. I've seen your support of illegals on these threads.

[Dane]

Now I'm really worried Dane. If YOU agree with the Kyl/Coryn bill it MUST be fishy. I've seen your support of illegals on these threads

Cut the conspiracy crap. Kyl and Cornyn are good conservative Senators.

There bill will not include amnesty, like the Mckennedy bill will.

[Recall]

Have you changed "your" mind on illegal immigration?

[hosepipe]

Because George Bush is very actively NOT enforcing current immigration laws..
He will ultimaely be blamed for this.. immigration fiasco..

A TRUE Statement;
George Bush is activily IMPORTING millions of proto-democrats from Mexico(and other places) for the further dumbing down of America to enhance the ignorance that the public schools don't already produce..

He WILL get blamed and rightfully so.. since he not only does pitifully little about it.. but the entire republican party will be blamed too.. Theres a pay back a'coming. Illegals don't run wild merely in Texas, New Mexico and Arizona and Mexifornia(and Florida).. anymore..

There running wild EVERYWHERE.. from east to west, north to south.. Proto-democrat insurgents at least as anti-american as a normal democrat.. maybe more so.. since they are not even americans.. and don't intend to be unless they get dual citizenship like Canadians.. The Northern political parasites.. on the American body politick..

[marty60]

Ya think we could get a clause that holds employers of illegals responsible (if by their co-conspiracy of breaking the law) the said employee committs a crime? HUMMMMM.....naw, won't happen.

[marty60]

McKennedy are trying to pull the same stunt on Bush they did to Reagan. We know it is a ploy to force enforcement of illegal alein laws to fail.<. As Nancy always said JUST SAY NO.

[taxed2death]

"There is also a more conservative Kyl/Cornyn, which the White House is more supportive of and it seems the Denver Post omitted"

Shamnesty-Lite.

[cripplecreek]

The fines on companies that hire illegals have to hurt. Sure Walmart was ordered to pay 11 million dollars but the fact that Walmart willingly paid an extra 5 mil shows how little the fine hurt. It should have been 100 million or more.

We don't want to put companies out of business for a first offence but they need to feel the pinch.

[marty60]

Well a three strikes and your out law might work. May the HR people will feel the heat if they become LEGALLY responsible for hiring illegal aliens. And since small business owners are the HR person, this could be effective. Is hiring some cheap illegal labor worth you livlihood and your freedom.

[cripplecreek]

I see the company that hired the colorado cop killer has decided to start checking to see if their employees are legal. Personally I want to know how much money they are giving to the victims family. I wouldn't mind seeing some prison time for the executive who decided to allow the hiring of illegal aliens.

[marty60]

The most effective way to jump start this would be for the victims of the illegals crimes to sue the companies. Just as Bar owners are responsible if the send a customer out plastered and they have an accident. I'm not a lawyer, but seems there may be some way to make this work. That would end this practice REALLY fast.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

Enforce the law!

No shiny new laws which business and government can simply ignore when it suits them!

Fool me once shame on you, government and business! Fool me twice. . . .

And tell the corrupt government of Mexico to stay the hell out of our internal affairs! Stop meddling, you corrupt bastards! While Mexican citizens are here we make and enforce the laws. Screw Mexico's "nation beyond borders" and Fox's National Council for Mexican Communities Abroad. Screw their Mexican diaspora.

[B4Ranch]

Why not put the executives in jail for a month and then make them pay the fines. They would get to know the illegals 'up close and personal' then.

[mthom]

amnesty

n 1: a period during which offenders are exempt from punishment 2: a warrant granting release from punishment for an offense [syn: pardon] 3: the formal act of liberating someone [syn: pardon, free pardon] v : grant a pardon to (a group of people)

Ill ask again. How does the word amnesty apply to the mckennedy bill and not the Kyl/Cornyn bill?

[America's Resolve]

I don't know what they're trumpeting this for. It was Kennedy and his '65 immigration bill that created this problem in the first place!

[Oatka]

We don't want to put companies out of business for a first offence but they need to feel the pinch.

Corporations look on fines as just another cost of doing business. Start putting some CEO's and other executives in a local JAIL, even if only for 30 days. Bet that would clean up the act.

[Recall]

I agree. These fines are mere pittance and not effective.

[Recall]

And the Kyl/Corwyn bill now being touted is yet ANOTHER amnesty. Same pig with different lipstick.

[mr_hammer]

With no mention of not securing the border? Please don't waste your time and our money gentlemen!

[backtothestreets]

There is a broader picture that is being ignored.  We need to understand the history of 500 years of tyranny in Mexico, and look into the future.

Here's some of what we are grappling with.

1. Mexico electing a President of another political party has shown conclusively that it cannot end the corruption upholding the tyranny.
2. Most of the illegal immigrants are seeking a better way of life, and would prefer it be available in their own country where their families are.
3. We cannot build a border wall long enough, or high enough to secure our country.
4. All our military forces stationed along the border won't make us more secure, but more vulnerable.
5. The two points in the country that we are most likely to suffer a terrorist attack with a nuclear or biological weapon are in the areas of San Diego, California and El Paso, Texas because of the proximity to Tijuana and Juarez, Mexico.  Keep in mind we've major military installations in these regions.
6. Sending all the illegal immigrants home will only add to the numbers of a desperate Mexican population likely to conspire against us.
7. No amount of money we pour into Mexico will end the corruption and tyranny, but strengthen it.
8. Anyone that believes corrupt Mexican citizens in Mexico would never subject their fellow citizens to death in a plot with terrorists is fooling themselves.
9. We need major policy changes in Washington, D.C. that look well beyond immigration to securing our nation, and ending the corruption that makes us so vulnerable.
10. American citizens of Mexican decent have shown they support our way of life that is made possible by our Constitution.

Now, what solutions do you see?  Do we wait while the clock ticks?  Do we remain in a slumber like in the days that led up to 9-11?  What change can be made that will truly secure our nation from a terrorist attack along our southern border?  Do we leave hard choices for future generations?  Can we ever be safe within our own country as long as the tyranny and corruption in Mexico continues?

[kellynla]

did you catch Cheney's appearance before the Press Club today?


He says they need to do more to secure the borders and identify the illegals!!
He actually called them "illegals!" LOL

[backtothestreets]

"did you catch Cheney's appearance before the Press Club today?

He says they need to do more to secure the borders and identify the illegals!!  He actually called them "illegals!" LOL"

I haven't heard his remarks yet, but seeing this as only an immigration issue, in fact, presenting the problem as only an immigration issue lulls our population into a false sense of security.  People need to wake up and realize such a corrupt government cannot be trusted to secure our southern regions.

[bayourod]

"Now, what solutions do you see? "

The ideal solution to Muslim terrorism is for the Muslims to reinterpret their religion as to proscribe terrorism.

Next are the things we are doing:
Ending state support of international terrorism, hunting down and killing their leaders, cutting off their funds, promoting democracy, better human intelligence, cooperation of foreign governments, securing airplanes, searching ships, protecting municipal water supplies, protecting nuclear sites, protecting dams, bridges, schools, malls and office buildings; keeping surveillance on Muslims in the U.S. who might provide support and intelligence to terrorists, increasing our technological surveillance for nuclear material entering the country, developing closer cooperation with Mexico and Canada to keep terrorist from entering their countries or being assisted therein by corrupt officials, infiltrating Mexican and Canadian criminal organizations that might assist terrorists, modernization of Coast Guard and CBP vessels, and keeping the American citizens on alert for suspicious behavior.

[EveningStar]

...they refuse to see the forest from the proverbial trees. And the knee-jerk response will not occur until there is another 9/11...At which point, Americans will be totally fed up with the incompetency of D.C. and every Muslim in America will then have to pack up and go back to whatever hellhole they originated from.

Do you think we need another 9/11 in order to wake people up?

[piceapungens]

The Denver Post is a notorious open-borders rag

[EveningStar]

Oops. I sent the message prematurely. Let's try that again:

Do you think we need another 9/11 in order to wake people up? I don't.

[kellynla]

Evidently, because Americans have given GWB and rest of the clowns in D.C. a "pass" on their failure to secure the borders, deport the illegals and fine employers who hire them.

We secure the borders in Korea, Afghanistan and Iraq but we leave our own front and back doors WIDE OPEN? you figure it out? and I thought we were at war!

[EveningStar]

But you don't hope for another 9/11, do you?

[kellynla]

of course not...but one more and every Muslim in America will have to pack up and go back to whatever sandbox they originated from...remember it was EIGHT YEARS between the first bombing at the WTC and the 9/11...
and as long as the borders are wide open, what's to prevent another terrorist attack?