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Employers shun service to weed out illegal hires
World Net Daily ^ | June 11, 2005

Posted on 06/11/2005 4:00:26 PM PDT by John Jorsett

An 8-year-old federal program that permits employers to use the Internet to instantly verify prospective hires' legal eligibility to work in the U.S. is being used by less that 1/10 of 1 percent of the nation's companies because it is voluntary, under-publicized and puts its users at a competitive disadvantage to firms who continue to hire illegal workers.

The Basic Employment Verification Pilot Program, first begun in 1997 in California, Florida, Illinois, Texas and New York, because of their high numbers of illegal aliens, was extended last year through 2008 and expanded to all 50 states. The free and voluntary program lets employers register online and, after self-training with a brief tutorial, input information on newly-hired employees that is quickly verified by checks against databases at the Social Security Administration and Department of Homeland Security.

Since 1986, when Congress made it illegal for companies to knowingly hire undocumented workers, employers have been caught in a Catch-22 – not knowing with certainty if the documents provided by the employee were genuine and not wanting to be sued for discrimination in hiring. The employment verification program was designed to fill that gap, and, according to the minority of employers using it, it does the job well.

"I have an answer back within a minute," Martin Thompson, vice president for human resources at Bar-S Foods Co., a Phoenix-based meat-processing firm told the Arizona Republic. The company has been able to participate in the program since 1998 because some of its 1,500 employees are in California and Texas.

Increasingly, the debate over immigration is raising the role employers play by providing the jobs to illegals. As reported by WorldNetDaily, the Minuteman Project is expanding its activities to include monitoring of employers who hire undocumented workers.

Last week, anti-illegal immigration demonstrators turned out in Tennessee calling for $25,000 fines against employers who willingly hire illegals.

"We have become a magnet for illegal aliens," said radio talk show host Phil Valentine who spearheaded the turnout. "We're wanting to demagnetize Tennessee, (but) it's all about passing comprehensive laws on a state level so we don't attract illegal aliens anymore. If we cut off the reason of them coming, they'll stop coming. We can talk about deporting and arresting, but until you address why they're coming, you're never going to solve the problem."

Because the law only requires employers to check documents, but not determine their authenticity, illegals have continued to be hired using fraudulent papers – and employers have been able to plead ignorance.

According to the Pew Hispanic Center, there were 7 million undocumented workers in the U.S. last year – 55 percent of whom were hired using documents with fabricated or stolen Social Security numbers, according to the Center for Immigration Studies.

The government's web-based employment verification program could seriously reduce those numbers, say those who want the program mandatory.

"If it's applied to everyone, all the businesses would be on an even playing field," says Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, a Washington, D.C., research organization that favors tighter limits on immigration.

"That's the real problem with this," adds Thompson, of Bar-S. "If a person is illegal and doesn't have the proper documents, then they just go down the road to the next employer."

Nationally, only 4,385 companies of the 5.7 million counted by the U.S. Census are using the program, says Chris Bentley, spokesman for U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services – less that 1/10 of 1 percent of all employers.

According to Denver immigration lawyer Ann Allott, there haven't been many incentives for employers to use the voluntary system. The law only lets the IRS fine companies up to $400 per year for each employee whose name doesn't match his or her social security number. Only businesses where more than 10 percent of the work force has discrepancies between names and numbers are contacted by Social Security. Follow up is even more spotty, Allott told the Denver Post.

In Arizona, the number of businesses fined for immigration violations dropped from 909 to 124 between 1995 and 2003, despite the rising influx of illegal aliens.

One Denver corporation that runs a group of restaurants found the motivation to begin using the employment verification program after one of its employees – an illegal alien – killed a policeman last month. The business, partly owned by Denver's mayor had received notice last year of 107 people working in its restaurants – roughly 1 in 7 employees – with Social Security numbers that didn't match their names.

Despite the competitive disadvantage, Bar-S intends to keep verifying documents, if only to avoid potentially costly audits by federal immigration inspectors. Already, word of the company's use of the program has spread, with fewer illegal workers applying for employment.

"Less than 8 percent of the time we will find someone where the computer kicks them back," says Thompson. That's a reduction from the 30 percent Bar-S was seeing in 1998 when it first started the program.

But if others decide to join Bar-S, the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services may not be ready. On its website, the agency warns: "If significantly more employers than anticipated choose to participate in the Basic Pilot Program, USCIS may have to limit the number of participants."


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1 posted on 06/11/2005 4:00:26 PM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: John Jorsett

This is what I have been B***hing about. Thank You for posting this .


2 posted on 06/11/2005 4:02:26 PM PDT by marty60
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To: John Jorsett

"One Denver corporation that runs a group of restaurants found the motivation to begin using the employment verification program after one of its employees – an illegal alien – killed a policeman last month."


I think a lot more corporations will use the system once a border crossing terrorist takes a 10,000 or so of us out.


3 posted on 06/11/2005 4:10:55 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Anyone who thinks we believe Hillary on any issue is truly a moron.)
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To: John Jorsett

I am glad to hear this resource exists. But it sounds like there's hardly any disincentive for businesses to hire illegals. I hope the populations of illegal-saturated states realize the enormous tax burden such companies are passing on to them.


4 posted on 06/11/2005 4:12:31 PM PDT by Puddleglum (Thank God the Boston blowhard lost)
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To: John Jorsett
An 8-year-old federal program that permits employers to use the Internet to instantly verify prospective hires' legal eligibility to work in the U.S. is being used by less that 1/10 of 1 percent of the nation's companies because it is voluntary, under-publicized and puts its users at a competitive disadvantage to firms who continue to hire illegal workers.

No amount of cursing the illegals will do any good as long as this is the case. As long as we continue to encourage illegal immigration by freely handing out jobs to those who run the gauntlet at the border, I cannot morally condemn those who come here to work.

Until the employer problem is solved by fine or criminalization, the drug runners and terrorists will be able to camouflage themselves with the job seekers in the rush over our borders.

Finally, I would be hypocritical if I condemned a desperate person from seeking work here when employers welcome them with encouragement and open arms.

5 posted on 06/11/2005 4:26:55 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: John Jorsett
It also exposes prospective employees to instant garnishment of wages for back child support, delinquent student loans, and back taxes. So wave bye-bye to that potential employee.
6 posted on 06/11/2005 4:34:33 PM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: balrog666

I noticed the writer didn't incluse the number 888-464-4218

Add this to your tagline. Employers use 888-464-4218


7 posted on 06/11/2005 5:08:12 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, Employers use 888-464-4218)
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To: JimSEA

Well your compassion is admirable for the illegals. Now where is your anger at the Messico Government that uses the money these people send home (billions) to prop up their shame Gov. BTW, that money would be circulating in the U.S economy, if this ILLEGAL activity were ended.


8 posted on 06/11/2005 5:37:05 PM PDT by marty60
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To: Puddleglum

Ronald Reagan was the FIRST to institute this program. He forsaw the horror this was going to cause. Plus RR knew exactly WHO was the source of the problem.


9 posted on 06/11/2005 5:39:00 PM PDT by marty60
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To: John Jorsett; marty60; cripplecreek; Puddleglum; JimSEA; balrog666; B4Ranch
But if others decide to join Bar-S, the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services may not be ready. On its website, the agency warns: "If significantly more employers than anticipated choose to participate in the Basic Pilot Program, USCIS may have to limit the number of participants."

Stopping illegl hires would not be difficult. In fact it would just take some tweaks here and there, for example changing laws to make employers authenticate documents instead of just looking at them (as the article illustrates).

However that will not happen. And let me tell you why.

Both the government (BOTH parties), as well as corporations, do not want to be rid of it. They simply do not want to. And that is the bottom line. Flame away if you want, but the govt is as much an enabler as the Mexican 'Coyotes' that help illegals stream across the border. Like most problems it is not an external issue .....it is an internal one. And ranting and raving about Mexicans will be to no avail if both government and corporations do not want to let go of the illegals. It is actuallu quite hilarious ....in a terribly ironic manner. Twisted mirth, spiced with generous helpings of irony and gobs of unabated sarcasm.

How do you guard the chicken-coop from the foxes if the hens themselves are helping the vixens sneak under the fence?

Oh, and by the way. Love them or not, the MinuteMen would have far better spent their time in Washington DC protesting than trying to show the border can be effectively shut down. The authorities know the border can be shut down, and they can if they wanted to. They do not. And at the end of the day it is really that simple. Rudimentary and elementary. Exceedingly simple.

10 posted on 06/11/2005 6:30:55 PM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear tipped ICBMs: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol.)
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To: spetznaz

In the 80's it was the law to provide valid proof that ALL employees were citizens or legally eligible to work in the U.S. I ran stores and had to provide the paper work to the Immigration officials that would randomly visit companies. I wouldn't hire an illegal so I didn't have a problem with it. Ronald Reagan did his part. American business are the co-criminals here. STOP HIRING ILLEGAL. I am all for a Nationwide outting of companies that give jobs to illegals rather than an American with a family to feed.Yes it's simple. FINE or Shut the doors on businesses that break the law.


11 posted on 06/11/2005 6:39:21 PM PDT by marty60
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To: JimSEA

The problem is the corrupt mexican govt. Until they're fixed, nothing will change.


12 posted on 06/11/2005 6:39:25 PM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: marty60
Question: Will the govt truly support your initiatives? And if they will, why are they not doing so right now? What about the corporations? And how about the lobby groups?

As I said it is one big joke.

13 posted on 06/11/2005 6:43:29 PM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear tipped ICBMs: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol.)
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To: spetznaz

Well the GOVERNMENT passed the laws. Dums gutted the enforcement side. Ask the Dums. Let me see, what would their answer be....NO


14 posted on 06/11/2005 6:46:44 PM PDT by marty60
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To: marty60

True, the govt passed the laws. And true, the Dummies gutted the enforcement side like a splintered fish. But it is not as if our guys are stepping all over each other trying to fix things now, are they? Both parties are equally responsible.


15 posted on 06/11/2005 6:51:20 PM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear tipped ICBMs: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol.)
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To: spetznaz

Our guys... is every American citizen, regardless of party that CARES about the U.S.


16 posted on 06/11/2005 6:55:56 PM PDT by marty60
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To: gubamyster

ping


17 posted on 06/11/2005 6:57:26 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: spetznaz

Exceedingly simple.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1420438/posts


18 posted on 06/11/2005 7:20:05 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, Employers use 888-464-4218)
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To: JimSEA

Do you think all employers are rich evil capitalists looking to exploit a mexican? Truth is the employers are using cheap mexican labor to help their own families. The employers and the illegal aliens are both to blame.


19 posted on 06/11/2005 9:28:51 PM PDT by mthom
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To: B4Ranch
Is that for real?!?!?!?!?!?!

Mein Gott! That's insane.

20 posted on 06/11/2005 9:33:54 PM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear tipped ICBMs: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol.)
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