Posted on 06/03/2005 10:00:08 AM PDT by CHARLITE
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - When Google Inc.'s 19 million daily users look up a long-lost classmate, send e-mail or bounce around the Web more quickly with its new Web Accelerator, records of that activity don't go away.
In an era of increased government surveillance, privacy watchdogs worry that Google's vast archive of Internet activity could prove a tempting target for abuse.
Like many other online businesses, Google (GOOG.O: Quote, Profile, Research) tracks how its search engine and other services are used, and who uses them. Unlike many other businesses, Google holds onto that information for years.
Some privacy experts who otherwise give Google high marks say the company's records could become a handy data bank for government investigators who rely on business records to circumvent Watergate-era laws that limit their own ability to track U.S. residents.
At a time when libraries delete lending records as soon as a book is returned, Google should purge its records after a certain point to protect users, they say.
"What if someone comes up to them and says, 'We want to know whenever this key word comes up'? All the capability is there and it becomes a one-stop shopping center for all these kinds of things," said Lauren Weinstein, an engineer who co-founded People for Internet Responsibility, a forum for online issues.
Google officials say their extensive log files help them improve service, fight fraud and develop new products, and unlike many other online companies, it seems willing to pay for the enormous storage capacity needed to save the data.
"If it's useful, we'll hold on to it," said Nicole Wong, a Google associate general counsel.
Google complies with law-enforcement investigations, Wong said. She declined to comment on the frequency or scope of those requests.
From the ground up, Google designs its offerings to minimally impact user privacy, Wong said. Google doesn't share the information it collects from visitors with outside marketers. Employees must get executive approval before they examine traffic data, she said.
Google logs the numerical IP address of each computer that visits many of its sites, and deposits small bits of code known as "cookies" on users' machines to automatically remember preferences like which language they use, she said. Users can reject cookies if they wish, but some services like Gmail, Google's e-mail, will not work without them.
It's difficult to tie cookies and IP addresses to a particular person, Wong said. The IP address of a computer can change every time it signs on to the Internet, and different services use different cookies so the company doesn't know, for example, that a particular Gmail user has visited the Web site of an abortion providers. POLICIES COULD CHANGE
But absent regulation, there's nothing to prevent Google from linking together those cookies in the future, said Chris Hoofnagle, who heads the West Coast office of the Electronic Privacy Information Center.
"Events can change corporate culture, and those who use the Google service may experience a shift in the definition of 'evil,"' Hoofnagle said, referring to the company's "Don't be evil" motto.
Rivals like Yahoo Inc. (YHOO.O: Quote, Profile, Research) and Internet service providers such as Time Warner Inc.'s (TWX.N: Quote, Profile, Research) America Online also track user activity. But ISPs generally don't hold onto such information for more than a month because storage costs and privacy concerns can mount quickly, said Stewart Baker, a Washington lawyer who has represented ISPs in law-enforcement matters.
"If you don't have a reason to keep a bunch of data around, it's probably prudent to get rid of it," he said.
Yahoo declined to say how long it holds on to its log files.
Google's generous mail service creates risks as well. While AOL purges customer e-mail from its servers after 28 days unless users specify otherwise, Gmail encourages users to hold onto their messages indefinitely.
Most people don't know that a 1986 law gives less protection from government searches to messages more than six months old, said Ari Schwartz, an associate director at the Center for Democracy and Technology.
"That doesn't mean that Google needs to change its technology, but they do need to do some consumer education," he said.
Even when a user deletes a message it may remain on company servers, according to the Gmail privacy policy.
Some don't see Google's long memory as a bad thing.
"You wouldn't want them to throw away all the queries that have been done -- that's like throwing away history," said Danny Sullivan, editor of the trade publication Search Engine Watch.
Weinstein doesn't think so.
"There's really no good reason to hold onto that information for more than a few months," he said. "They seem to think that because their motives are pure that everything is OK and they can operate on a trust basis. History tells us that is not the case."
That's like saying "the cops can come in my house anytime they want. I have nothing to hide."
Seems we fought a few wars over that imbecilic attitude.
This seems a bit paranoid to me. The government can listen in on people's internet activity without help from google, if they choose, but there is such a flood of information on the net it's of doubtful use unless they have some other reason to want to nail someone.
Useful to whom?
Bis business is always smarter then the average person who must be stupid.
Sarcasm
"The government can listen in on people's internet activity without help from google, if they choose"
Really? How can they do that?
Sure, they can go to the ISP of the person and track their online activity but that isn't what you are referring to, is it?
Wanna see something scary, but still cool. Check out the WayBack machine.
http://www.archive.org/web/web.php
It archives websites and lets you jump back to a point in time. Websites like this one!!!!
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.freerepublic.com/
Actually, they even have all versions of your about page:
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.freerepublic.com/~gmason/
I had a little fun back then commenting on a thread that had not been commented on in years. You should have seen the hornets nest that turned up. Freepers were Freep mailing Freepers and the next thing you know I was surrounded by Freeper Ferrets. ;)
Thanks fot the url.
That was great! Thanks. I think. ;)
Zbigniew Brzezinski Protegé of David Rockefeller, co-founder of The Trilateral Commission, and NSA to Jimmy Carter, from his 1971 book Between Two Ages. (Brzezinski has been adviser to no less than five presidents)
"The technotronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. [...] [T]he capacity to assert social and political control over the individual will vastly increase. It will soon be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and to maintain up-to-date, complete files, containing even most personal information about the health or personal behavior of the citizen in addition to more customary data. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities."
Zbigniew Brzezinski = POS
There were stories that NSA computers were keeping track of anybody who used certain words over the net during the clinton years, and the FBI set up some big computers too. I don't know how much of it was true (how would anyone know?) but there was plausibility.
This also covers most phone conversations because of the use of wireless relays.
Try doing a google search of "NSA eavesdropping."
Zbigniew Brzezinski = POS.
That may be true but I remember a few years ago he was trumpeting one of his books and he went on and on about how the US will have to get into the Trash-can-istan areas and become a key strategic player there before too long.
Seems his predictions were right on the money....
Google "Echelon"...that's NSA's snoop stuff......some claim it can tell when your pop-tarts are done in your toaster oven.
FBI's "Carnivore" pooter sniffing program had a name change to a soft and fuxzzy title like DSC2000 or something like that....
All this data collection isn't worth a hill of beans unless you have the eyeball power to analyze it.
A new feature called "blackmail"
"bmail" LOL
damn, that's nifty. nowhere near complete, but nifty.
Exactly. If your name is Al Capone, they might use this stuff to nail you, but there's no way they are going to go after Joe Citizen because he visited some suspect web site.
Back in the clinton days, many of us used to play games, sending emails or posting messages that used the list of forbidden words which Carnivore was supposed to be set to pick up.
Good God!! How many YB (yottabytes) are their servers???
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