"Ha ha - you rook in all rong places, never find us!"
Posted on 05/26/2005 8:12:52 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
Edited on 05/27/2005 12:51:25 AM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]
Just only a quick blurb in the top news segement today, but Mainichi News reports that two elderly Japanese men in their 80s have turned themselves into or otherwise presented themselves to Japanese authorities in the southern Philippines in Mindanao, apparantly "surrendering" or at least talking to them, after holding our for nearly 60 years in the Philippines following Japan's WWII defeat.
A remarkable story if true.
Japanese-language Mainichi news story is linked. It is unclear what their Imperial Army unit was, if they knew the war had ended, and other details. They were said to be talking now with Japanese officials in a hotel on the island of "General Santos".
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UPDATE!
The latest from what I can tell (3:00 a.m. Eastern Time Friday, May 27, 2005). And by the way, thank you for your kind comment.
A veteran of the Pacific War living in Saitama Prefecture in Japan, a "Teraishi san", who works with the War Survivor's Group, collects the remains of fallen Japanese soldiers. He is in his mid 80s.
He received a call from another man who is married to a woman in the Philipines, who was working to collect word in a forested area in Southern Mindanao. It was only yesterday that Terauchi received this international call from the Philippines which was rather frantic.
The woman had apparantly crossed into or had been in Muslim extremist controlled territory and had heard throught Moro fighters of the existence of "two elderly men from the Japanese army". Further, she got the information that they wanted to get out and passed it on to Japan, where it got to Terauchi.
Terauchi of course worked with the Japanese government who, through the Embassy in Philippines, to get the information.
There are still some survivors around from those days (much as WWII survivors are in the States), and they still look out for their own. Terauchi was in tears in the interview, saying the men were afraid of "Japanese Military Court Martial" if they returned to Japan, but of course he urges them to get back to Japan. This is from Yomiuri news. It is in Yomiuri, Mainichi, Fuji, NHK, Asahi, you name it.
I'll try to post any links to Japanese TV about this. The Moderate might also put (UPDATE) after this thread title if they could do so. Done.
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Families of the men in Japan are reported as amazed, shocked and ecstatic.
In the case of (Sgt?) Nakauchi, his sister thought he was dead all these years. She stated that even before the WWII ended, they received a report he was killed, and they even "received his remains" after wards (ikotsu, literally, 'bones') and had buried him and it was all behind them.
They even had a funeral service when the 'body' was returned to the town, but since it was not recognizable I suppose they would have no way of knowing. At any rate, they want the men home ASAP.
Yamakawa's brother said "he sure hung in there," and expressed the same thoughts.
Nakauchi's mother died some 23 years ago. The Japanese authorities had given notice to the family in June 1945 that Nakauchi had been killed. Nakauchi's relative said that if the mother were alive she would be very happy.
Nakauchi's 'gravesite' can even be visited in Kochi Prefecture. It just says his name and rank, and "June 15, 1944, Killed in the War, 28 years old" on it. By the way, I'm getting that the men apparantly are not both (83), but one I believe is 87 and the other 85--so the age might have been an inaccuracy.
War buddies of the two men, a few still around, such as one fellow in Hiroshima, a "Nagai" (84) only had reflective thoughts of how bloody their battles were and "well, that's amazing. 60 years. I want to say "yoku yatta" when he returns ('you really hung in there').
Another relative expressed some trepidation about returning after all these years, and the fact there may be Philippine families effected because (one or both, not sure) the men married locally there.
This kind of thing has not happened for at least 25 years. Perhaps more details will be known soon on these two Japanese soldiers 'in the service of the Emperor' and how they lived for all that time down there.
Turn them loose on the jihadis.
Took them sixty years to surrender? I can admire that, unlike the French who surrender in 60 seconds! :-)
That feudal nobility of duty thing is impressive, I'll say that for them. Whew!
wierd... just last week I was asking my stepdad when the last such surrender occured...
Pretty remarkable - there were sniper holdouts that preyed on the Filipinos well into the 60's, and a couple of soldiers were found in the early 70's as well.
I remember that episode on Gilligan's Island.
Sushi & Angin sound like they might be trying to cash in ($$$) on a good thing they saw a few years ago. What's the odds AITok?
The link only leaves me with question marks.
AIT....could you ping me to any follow up stories about this....thanks.
Y'all could learn a thing or two frem these 'ol boys.
Quite a find on your part.
Thanks.
LOL, the babelfish translation of the story on the Japanese website:
Old Japanese soldier: With the Philippine & Mindanao island information of existence? < The Manila Osawa sentence protection > When on the 26th, 2 men of 80 year old generations which are thought as the old Japanese soldier with the Philippine southern Mindanao island asked the interview with the ambassador staff, it made the resident in Philippine Japanese embassy clear. The ambassador staff on the 27th, interviews with 2 people at the hotel of the same island general sun toss city. According to the embassy authorized personnel, information of interview request from another Japanese of the Mindanao island residence was offered to the embassy. You say that 2 people live in Yamanaka who is close to the same city, possess those which show the fact that it is the Japanese soldier. The name 2, the information regarding the original permanent duty station, without knowing the termination of war of the World War II, living, it was it lives in the mosquito net and some kind of state whether, and so on, it is unclear. Everyday newspaper 2005 May 26th 23:05
And John Kerry couldn't take 4 months.
Boy! Do they have a lot of BACKPAY coming!...........
By now their uniforms must smell very bad?
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If true we can count on some great television. Parades, interviews, etc.
The French usually don't even take that long. Try six seconds.
This is a reminder of the latent warrior culture of Japan, which all of Asia still fears. We exterminated most of it in WW2, but there's still traces of it there. They've got a tradition of duty and honor that goes back at least a couple thousand years.
They were horrendously effective enemies (embodying "no retreat, no surrender"), but they make excellent allies.
Yep, that is the "Everyday Newspaper" for you! (And Babelfish Translation does sound like Yoda, doesn't it?)
Right I thought the guys in the 1980s were flat amazing? If these two are not a hoax, it is beyond amazing.
I do not remember any recent stories indicating that locals in the PI thought someone or something was foraging in their area? Have you seen such stories? The lack of such stories was part of what caused people to think all these soldiers were gone.
Not as long as these two (if true), but Iwo's not a large place to hide.
Does this mean they won?
To a fault.
The other extreme to the stupid no-right-to-live ding-dongs who ridicule patriotism.
The islamic terrorists have nothing on these two. Talk about determination and self-will, these two take the cake and eat it.
I lived on Guam in '72 when the last Japanese solider finally "surrendered" there.
The two definitely produced ID that was of Japanese Imperial Army in nature, and further signed both their names in 'kanji' (Japanese script, from China) as well. They are Japanese.
Did not say much more outside of that.
"I was always amazed that there were a few Japanese soldiers on Iwo Jima that survived past the war. They lived off of garbage from the U.S. base there,"
Kind of like Eric Rudolph in Western NC.
Fascinating. If you find more, I'd appreciate a ping.
But one thing is sure--they will be happy to see Japan's military power of today, as well as it's service to the far corner of the world -- name, Samawah Base in Iraq.
Pretty amazing, if true.
Lots of cases like that, yes.
No. If past incidents are any example, they will be cleaned up, fixed up by the medics, issued new replicas of their original period uniforms, and flown to Japan, where the Emperor will order them to surrender. The surrender will be taken by the highest ranking US officer in Japan, and that will be pretty much it.
If true, they followed their last orders (go guerilla, resist the Americans, fight on for the Emperor) for over 50 years. They will be treated with honor and dignity by our military throughout the process. Remember, these are Japan's MIAs.
Here they are...though there is something mighty fishy about this...
LOL wow...this is the stuff of weekly world news.
That could be a lot of back pay.....
http://www.wanpela.com/holdouts/registry.html
March 5, 1974 - Lubang Island - 2nd Lt. Hiroo Onoda Probably the most 'famous' of the Japanese holdouts, Onoda was the only survivor of a group of four. He surrendered 29 years after Japan's formal surrender, and 15 years after being declared legally dead in Japan. When he accepted that the war was over, he wept openly.
April 1980 - Captain Fumio Nakahira on Mindoro Captain Fumio Nakahira of the Japanese Imperial Army, held out before being discovered at Mt. Halcon in Mindoro.
They might be disconcerted to learn that the war ended 60 years ago.
Over the years, we would hear of another Japanese holdout emerging from the jungles---wasn't all that strange, if some soldier couldn't face defeat and "went native" rather than face the music. But now? Not one but two men survived out there, into their 80's? Doubtful. They probably have enjoyed some "shore leave," some regular contact with human society, all along. Because it just isn't too healthy, a jungle in Mindanao.
Doubt you would find any French still hold up.
Rip van Winkle had nothing on these fellows. Imagine how dazzled they will be when they see modern Japan.
-ccm
Wow. I thought this was amazing when it happened 30 years ago.........but now?? Wow!
They won't know many people if they return to Nippon.
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