Former Reagan Sec. of Interior Watt questions the lies of the "Religious Left" in WAPO Op-Ed

WaPo ^ | 5/21/05 | James Watt

[Minus_The_Bear]

Former Sec. Interior under Reagan responds to charges against Christians and himself posed by the "Religious Left" in a Washington Post Op-Ed. There is also a good frame of reference peice on Powerline.

[Minus_The_Bear]

Ping to other who posted or commented on previous threads on this matter.

[DoughtyOne]

The left knows no shame and they still want to push off systems of governance and 'control' that failed miserably in the last century, and cost tens of millions of lives.

[TrailofTears]

The religious left embraces the religion of baal worship. Their god is the golden calf, and they like the moloch worshipers celebrate the murder of the children as one of their primary experiences in life. They are monsters, and have nothing to do with true religion.

"True religion is this: to visit the widows and the fatherless, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world."

I sincerely question if they even help the widows and fatherless, and for sure know they do not keep themselves unspotted from the world.

They believe nothing of the scripture, and set themselves up as the true inheritors of God's truth. They need to be met head to head on all these issues. We prevail when we hit them right between the eyes on their lack of morality and on their pitiful socialism.

They do not believe in the biblical view of the new man, but in the socialist view of the new man. Their view is that everyone is a "product of their environment;" and, that you only change the man/woman when you change the environment. They believe this happens by manipulation of the social order through the collective. They are nothing but socialists/communists disguised as religious "do-gooders."

I seem to remember a quote by Smith that went something like this, "The excesses of those that would do good are more to be feared than the excesses of those that do evil, because those that do good have no limit that they can stop at."

[Lester Moore]

A liberal theologian and active participant in the National Council of Churches, Barbara R. Rossing of the Lutheran School of Theology at Chicago, published a book titled "The Rapture Exposed." In it she attacks a large segment of the Christian community...

There are no born-again, spiritually regenerated leftists. Being a leftist, pro-choice proabort is evidence of spiritual degeneracy.

[DoughtyOne]

Thanks for the good comments. I am in agreement.

[T Lady]

There is nothing new under the sun regarding the Religious Left.

...To paraphrase the Bible, they are like wolves in sheeps' clothing.

-Regards, T.

[Bar-Face]

Nice article. Too bad James Watt wrote it. He has already been demonized by the irreligious left and their surrogates in the anti-American press. if anyone should quote Mr Watt all you will hear is how he is a racist, bigot, homophobic, anti feminist right wing extremist. Sad but a fact in today's world.

[Sonny M]

There are no born-again, spiritually regenerated leftists. Being a leftist, pro-choice proabort is evidence of spiritual degeneracy.

You have to meet them.

They are not liars, they are lunatics.

The "religious left" are seriousley disturbed people, to many of us think that they are dishonest becase if we realize they are genuine, it means something far worse.

These people are mentally ill, and quite dangerious, to themselves and others, the logic they use for abortion, easily applies to most human life (except the death penalty). They aren't lying, they don't live in reality.

If you ever meet them (and I have many times), you'll see, they are just not there. They are nuts. Lunatics by every single definition you can find, politics is the cover for them. i.e. The guy who wears underwear on his head, so he's crazy but if he wears underwear on his head and says Bush is evil, he's now credible and excentric.

[CyberAnt]

Well .. I don't agree with your "true religion" - but "TRUE CHRISTIANITY" is a belief in your heart that Jesus is the Son of GOD; that Jesus died for your sins; that Jesus was raised from the dead; and you have opened your mouth and personally invited Jesus into your heart.

Any other Gospel is NOT Christianity.

[watchin]

Well .. I don't agree with your "true religion"

Funny, because he was quoting the Bible - James 1:27.

You're ignorant of the very scriptures you think you're defending. Your arrogance makes your post sadly ironic.

Humility, my friend, humility.

[CyberAnt]

"James 1:27 - Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world."


I'm not arguing with that "scripture". I'm arguing with the term "religion". Religion and Christianity are not the same thing. Obviously you are IGNORANT OF THAT FACT.

You should have read vs. 26 - "If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain."

And James said, "PURE religion" not "true religion".

And .. finally .. I stand by what I said "true Christianity" really is. If you don't agree .. that's fine .. but badmouthing me shows me you are not a Christian.

[watchin]

BTW, I hate to shake you up twice, but this "personally invited Jesus into your heart" stuff is not in the Bible.

There are references to repentance, confession, conversion, faith, belief, trust, baptism, service, etc.

The Bible leads us to belief in the trinity, the crucifixion of Christ, the Atonement, the resurrection, the second coming, etc.

But where is this "personally invited Jesus into your heart" phrase in the Bible? It never, ever appears. So how does it become part of the core of "True Christianity"?

[backhoe]

Crosslinked:

Early warning shots-- the War against Religion...
various FR links & stories | 05-06-05 | the heavy equipment guy
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1397759/posts

[watchin]

Okay, I see. You're a follower of a different 'christ' - the proud, abrasive, always angry, arrogant and self-righteous one.

You might go back and actually read the book James. His point is that merely hearing or believing don't cut it. The devil does all that - James 2:19.

James does not make a distinction between 'religion' and 'christianity'. He makes a distinction between 'true religion' and 'vain religion'.

And he doesnt' say anything about "asking Jesus into your heart".

[tomkat]

Dear Lord, please save us from those who live to save us, amen. ^©

[CyberAnt]

Hmmmmm? However, Paul did in Romans 10:9-10

Sorry to see you only read James. Religion only means to do something "religiously" - which has no relation to Christianity.

You might want to check my FReeper page before you make any more thoughtless and unwarranted statements.

[watchin]

Good job! You found the word 'heart' in your Bible! Now ...

I didn't deny that the word 'heart' is used in the Bible. I said that the idea/phrase: "ask Jesus into your heart" does not appear in the Bible. You still have not found it, nor will you, because it's not there.

You'll never find Paul, Peter, John, James or anyone else in the Bible instructing anyone to just "ask Jesus into your heart". Paul said we should "believe in your heart" and "with the heart man believes", but he NEVER said anything about "asking Jesus into your heart".

That's a phrase men made up to avoid the messy work of sharing the real Gospel, with its repentance for sin and all. In other words, that was a lame attempt, and you're still wrong.

As far as your nitpicking on the word 'religion', let's just leave it at this: your definition comes from tradition and/or your pastor. Mine comes straight from the Bible and is backed up by the dictionary. Definition #1 is "true Christianity" according to your first post. #3 is more scriptural, including values and practices along with belief. #4 is your definition of religion.

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   The American Heritage^® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition.  2000.

religion

SYLLABICATION:	re·li·gion
PRONUNCIATION:	r-ljn
NOUN:	1a. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe. b. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship. 2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order. 3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader. 4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.
IDIOM:	get religion Informal 1. To become religious or devout. 2. To resolve to end one's immoral behavior.
ETYMOLOGY:	Middle English religioun, from Old French religion, from Latin religi, religin-, perhaps from religre, to tie fast. See rely.

[CyberAnt]

As usual .. you left out the speaking part - after you believe in your HEART .. CONFESSION (which means speaking) IS MADE UNTO SALVATION.

Without speaking - you don't get salvation by osmossis.

And .. if you're not asking Jesus into your heart - then just who are you asking into your heart ..??

If you can't find that .. then you purposefully don't want to find it. I'm not wrong - and the fact that your only answer is "you're wrong" - proves beyond any shadow of a doubt - you are not a Christian. Because being a Christian means knowing Christ - not who HE is - but knowing HIM.

I'm done - because you have nothing to offer but "you're wrong" - and I don't need to listen to that. I'm entitled to believe what I believe .. whether you approve of it or not. good bye!!

[Spirited]

"But where is this "personally invited Jesus into your heart" phrase in the Bible? It never, ever appears. So how does it become part of the core of "True Christianity"?"

You must agree that man wants to set up God in his own image and the way to do that is to ignore the fact that it isn't found in God's verbiage but you can pretend that it is implied. If you pretend long enough people believe the lie.

Remission of sin requires a blood sacrifice. Ignoring that sacrifice is a favorite pastime in churches today.

1Pe 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?