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FBI says grenade was threat to Bush's life
The Associated Press ^ | May. 18, 2005 | Jennifer Loven

Posted on 05/18/2005 7:38:07 PM PDT by Dubya

WASHINGTON -- A hand grenade that landed within 100 feet of President Bush during his visit last week to a former Soviet republic was a threat to his life and the safety of the tens of thousands in the crowd, the FBI said Wednesday.

The grenade was live but did not explode.

The White House, which initially said Bush never was in danger, said the incident May 10 in the Georgia capital has led to a review of security at presidential events.

FBI agents are still investigating in Tbilisi, where tens of thousands of people heard Bush speak in strong support of Georgia's efforts at democratic development.

It was unclear how much danger the president faced.

According to the FBI's initial investigation, the grenade failed to explode only because of a malfunction. The activation device deployed too slowly to hit the blasting cap hard enough, agent Bryan Paarmann said.

The grenade was a knockoff of a Soviet-designed RGD-5, a fragmentation grenade with a lethal range of about 100 feet, according to a source familiar with the incident, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

"We consider this act to be a threat against the health and welfare of both the president of the United States and the president of Georgia as well as the multitude of Georgian people that had turned out at this event," Paarmann said.

No one in the U.S. delegation -- Bush, his staff, members of the press that accompanied him and others -- saw a grenade being tossed. There was no sign that anything was amiss during the president's half-hour appearance in Freedom Square.

Bush spoke from an armored podium on a stage shielded by bulletproof glass on the sides; there was no bulletproof shield across much of the stage's front.

U.S. officials are trying to determine whether the grenade was thrown with the intention of doing harm or was placed in the crowd for other reasons.

"There are a lot of security measures that the Secret Service takes," White House press secretary Scott McClellan said. "The Secret Service has the full trust of the president."

The grenade's discovery has led to questions about the adequacy of the extensive security measures used to protect the president.

The number of metal detectors set up by the Secret Service, based on predictions by Georgian authorities, proved far too few. The crowd was one of the largest Bush has addressed. After three hours, authorities were overwhelmed by the enormous number of people and let many go around the detectors.

"The Secret Service is looking into all those issues," McClellan said.

Georgian officials have suggested the device may have been planted to undermine the upbeat relations on display between Bush and Georgia's new West-leaning president, Mikhail Saakashvili.

The small nation has a large cast of potential culprits, including former government elites angry at Saakashvili's anti-corruption crackdown, supporters of two separatist regions aligned with Moscow, terrorists from the Pankisi Gorge and Russian saboteurs.

A law enforcement official said there are not any individual suspects nor any claims of responsibility. A reward of about $11,000 was offered for information about those responsible.

Bush's decision to go to Georgia -- a poor, dangerous country struggling to make the transition from ex-communist backwater to economically thriving democracy -- had his security detail jumpy for weeks.

At the May 10 event, Georgian police were out in force. U.S. snipers took positions on rooftops.

The grenade was wrapped in a dark plaid cloth. It was "tossed in the general direction of the main stage" about 1:30 p.m., right after Bush began speaking, and landed less than 100 feet shy of the podium, Paarmann said. After bouncing off a child's cap, the grenade was removed by a Georgian security officer.

Bush knew nothing about the grenade until he had left the country. Georgian authorities did not tell the president's security detail until after his plane had left for Washington.

At first, the White House said the president never was in danger. Georgian officials denied the incident had happened.

A day later, Georgian officials confirmed there had been a grenade but said it was found on the ground -- not thrown, as the Secret Service had said. They also said it was an "engineering grenade" -- which is not designed to spread shrapnel -- and was found in inactive mode.

"Obviously we've learned more since," McClellan said.

Associated Press writers Mark Sherman in Washington and Misha Dzhindzhikhashvili in Tbilisi contributed to this report.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: assassinationplot; bush43; doasearch; fbi; georgia; russiavisit; securitybreach; usss; veday

1 posted on 05/18/2005 7:38:07 PM PDT by Dubya
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To: Dubya

They need to work on this. Hope a way can be found to keep him safe.


2 posted on 05/18/2005 7:39:44 PM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: Dubya
The grenade was a knockoff of a Soviet-designed RGD-5, a fragmentation grenade with a lethal range of about 100 feet, according to a source familiar with the incident, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Big Thank You and Prayers to that Georgian Security Officer!

3 posted on 05/18/2005 7:40:28 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Dubya

Are we sure that it wasn't Jennifer Loven who threw the grenade?


4 posted on 05/18/2005 7:40:29 PM PDT by Perdogg (Cheney for President - 2008)
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To: Dubya

So where was Michael Moore?


5 posted on 05/18/2005 7:41:09 PM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: Calpernia
http://members.aol.com/panzersgt/pyro/rgd5.html


6 posted on 05/18/2005 7:42:15 PM PDT by Perdogg (Cheney for President - 2008)
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Quote from article:

It was unclear how much danger the president faced.

Article title:

FBI says grenade was threat to Bush's life

Something just doesn't sound right... nevermind that they didn't capitalize "President".


7 posted on 05/18/2005 7:44:03 PM PDT by oolatec
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To: Dubya

There always was a high dud rate in communist manufactured grenades, and it looks like they still haven't fixed the problem.


8 posted on 05/18/2005 7:55:00 PM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: Dubya

Here's the culprit: http://members.aol.com/panzersgt/pyro/rgd5.html


9 posted on 05/18/2005 8:01:42 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Fun Fact: Did you know that NEWSWEEK has killed more people than Ted Kennedy's Oldsmobile?)
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To: oolatec
Something just doesn't sound right.

Same feeling here...
Georgian officials are probably downplaying the threat..
FBI is probably overblowing the threat..

The truth is probably somewhere in between..

The grenade is real enough..
It was possibly a Chechen or someone that brought it..
Then again, a Russian "provocature" may have simply dropped a "dud" for the "effect" and resultant political flap it would cause...
Whether it was thrown or he/she chickened out and dropped it is up for grabs..

Any way you put it, I haven't trusted anything the FBI says for decades now..
All of their statements, investigations, etc. are colored by politics..

I'll put my money on the Georgians on this one....

10 posted on 05/18/2005 8:03:25 PM PDT by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

Thanks for the link.
Its a little diff than the ones we had.


11 posted on 05/18/2005 8:06:19 PM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: Dubya

Poor manufacturing. THANK GOD IT WAS MADE IN RUSSIA.


12 posted on 05/18/2005 8:11:11 PM PDT by killermosquito (Hillary, go back to the little rock you crawled out from under!)
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To: killermosquito

LOL


13 posted on 05/18/2005 8:15:08 PM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: Calpernia

When a grenade fails to go off...the entity to thank is God

imo


14 posted on 05/18/2005 8:41:25 PM PDT by joesnuffy (The generation that survived the depression and won WW2 proved poverty does not cause crime)
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To: Dubya
U.S. officials are trying to determine whether the grenade was thrown with the intention of doing harm or was placed in the crowd for other reasons

Fire whoever these officials are.
15 posted on 05/18/2005 9:35:36 PM PDT by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: Dubya

Some people question whose side God in on. They who question should look at the evidence.


16 posted on 05/18/2005 9:41:07 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Recall Barbara Boxer)
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To: Dubya

Many people are trying to assassinate President Bush these days. It's shocking in fact grenades/ bombs thrown against President Bush. I hope the Secret Service will step up security to protect the president from these dangers. Lo tech to hi tech, don't know what kind of threats there would be.


17 posted on 05/18/2005 11:01:40 PM PDT by Wiz
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To: Dubya; jb6; Agrarian; katnip; monkfan; Kolokotronis; RusIvan; The_Reader_David
Bush's decision to go to Georgia -- a poor, dangerous country struggling to make the transition from ex-communist backwater to economically thriving democracy -- had his security detail jumpy for weeks.

Well when I get there in a few days I will be sure to help with the part about economically thriving. I am totally in love with their version of St George icons and hope to find and purchase many. Especially since my husband just entered the church on his Saint's Day, St. George, a few weeks ago.

I'm not sure I understand the part about "dangerous" though.


18 posted on 05/18/2005 11:50:07 PM PDT by MarMema
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