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A Sudden Taste for Openness
NY Times ^ | May 18, 2005 | Meathead Editorial

Posted on 05/17/2005 11:09:35 PM PDT by neverdem

Newsweek is under intense criticism for a report it has now retracted about the American prison in Guantánamo Bay. Since we've weathered a journalistic storm or two, we can only say the best approach is transparency as Newsweek fixes whatever is broken, if anything. There is already a debate about journalistic practices, including the use of anonymous sources, and these things are worth discussing - especially at a time of war, national insecurity and extreme government secrecy, a time when aggressive news reporting is critical. But it is offensive to see the Bush administration use this case for political purposes, and ludicrous for spokesmen for this White House and Defense Department to offer pious declarations about accountability, openness and concern for America's image abroad.

It took Newsweek about two weeks to retract its report. It has been a year since the very real problem behind the article - the systematic abuse and deliberate humiliation of mainly Muslim prisoners - came to light through the Abu Ghraib disaster. And the Bush administration has not come close to either openness or accountability. The White House and the Pentagon have refused to begin any serious examination of the policymaking that led to the abuse, humiliation, torture and even killing of prisoners taken during antiterrorist operations and the invasion of Iraq. Meanwhile, the administration has stonewalled outside efforts to accomplish that task. No senior officer or civilian official has been held accountable for policies that put every American soldier at greater risk. The men who wrote the memos on legalized torture and evading the Geneva Conventions have been promoted.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Cuba; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: abughraib; defensedepartment; guantanamobay; newsweek
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The Times is a little sensitive. I'm shocked.
1 posted on 05/17/2005 11:09:36 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Good grief...these people really hate Bush, the American soldier, and ultimately, the United States of America.


2 posted on 05/17/2005 11:14:53 PM PDT by Troublemaker
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To: neverdem

A sudden taste for truth? America is tired of being fed a pack of lies. I won't subscribe to the Arizona People's Republic. I won't listen to CBS, NBC, or ABC Disney News.

I won't subscribe to Newsweek or Time or the NYT.

I used to see a lot of newspapers on the driveways when I walked our dogs. Now I don't see them in abundance. Is everyone reading the paper early or or they concluding what I have just said?


3 posted on 05/17/2005 11:15:07 PM PDT by sine_nomine (Protect the weakest of the weak - the unborn babies.)
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To: neverdem

Take a deep breath, remember that 14 people DIED as a result of the Newsweek story, then reread this drivel and try not to puke!!


4 posted on 05/17/2005 11:15:16 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: neverdem

The Newsweak lie? It's BUSH'S FAULT!, says NYT.


5 posted on 05/17/2005 11:16:55 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (<-- sick of faux-conservatives who want federal government intervention for 'conservative things.')
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To: neverdem

The newspaper that let Jason Blaire (sp) publish numerous articles full of lies is coming down on the Bush Administration for not being quick with dealing with a problem. Hang on, my sides are hurting from laughing so hard...


6 posted on 05/17/2005 11:30:19 PM PDT by Darkwolf (aka Darkwolf377 (lurker since'01, member since 4/'04)--stop clogging me with pings!)
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To: neverdem

Newsweek should have it's business liscence pulled so they have to close their doors over this IMO.


7 posted on 05/17/2005 11:33:15 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: neverdem
It is offensive to see the Bush administration use this case for political purposes, and ludicrous for spokesmen for this White House and Defense Department to offer pious declarations about accountability, openness and concern for America's image abroad. -New York Times masthead editorial

Offensive! Ludicrous!

Overheated verbiage to be using if you afford the administration even a modicum of respect, of an assumption that it is acting in good will. It would be only fair to cut the White House some slack to criticize the press.

The press does need to report specifics on government actions and therefore they are right to report fairly on prisoner abuses. But the New York Times is overcome by its own melodrama - the result is the shrillness of this editorial.

8 posted on 05/17/2005 11:36:46 PM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: Darkwolf

They don't mind liars at the NYT, as long as they are their liars. The NYT has never returned Walter Duranty's Pulitzer Prize even though no one believes his pro-Stalinists stories in the 1930s about the Ukraine famine today. That's how much the NYT cares about the truth. Shame on them and Newsweak. They hate our way of life and will inflame America's enemies to harm US servicemen and Americans in general. They've no honor and no decency and no respect for the truth. How dare they lecture elected leaders when they're merely self-appointed pontificators and self-indulgent, ineffectual Leftwing toadies for America's enemies, whether they're religious fascists or socialists dictators.


9 posted on 05/17/2005 11:41:52 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Hezbollah will disarm before we see Kerry sign his SF 180,)
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To: neverdem; Liz; Timesink; Grampa Dave; weegee; an amused spectator; mountaineer
Since we've weathered a journalistic storm or two, we can only say the best approach is transparency as Newsweek fixes whatever is broken

Riiight.

That's why this clown still has a job.

10 posted on 05/17/2005 11:48:04 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: neverdem
Looked for the first "but" in this NYT's article and low and behold it turned into a Bush bashing piece of garbage.
11 posted on 05/17/2005 11:58:32 PM PDT by Doofer
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To: neverdem

What a putrid screed of hatred.


12 posted on 05/18/2005 12:06:49 AM PDT by OldFriend (MAJOR TAMMY DUCKWORTH.....INSPIRATIONAL)
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To: Troublemaker

Yup, they hate all 3.

This is what I don't understand. What's the big deal for people about the detainees. The constitution has protections for Amerian CITIZENS. As far as I'm concerned, non-citizens have no protection from the American Constitution. Their ass is grass otherwords.

Another thing. What is with the media constantly monitoring American troops and American interogators. How can America be expected to prosecute a war like this? You'd think the media has a real hate on for the military. Why doesn't the media spend more time monitoring the enemy. For instance, who are these men who are beheading people on Al Jazeera? How are minorities treated in Islamic nations? Exactly why are the Moslems in the Sudan murdering an enslaving non-Moslems?


13 posted on 05/18/2005 12:10:56 AM PDT by Lord Nelson
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To: sine_nomine
A sudden taste for truth? America is tired of being fed a pack of lies. I won't subscribe to the Arizona People's Republic. I won't listen to CBS, NBC, or ABC Disney News.

I won't subscribe to Newsweek or Time or the NYT.

Now I don't see them in abundance. Is everyone reading the paper early or or they concluding what I have just said?

IMHO, they read the liberal rags for free online. Conservative, original news sources with substantial news gathering resources are few and far between. Most of those on the right can tell when they are being fed leftist agitprop, and they respond accordingly. Although it also has to be excerpted, check out The New York Sun.

14 posted on 05/18/2005 12:24:32 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
What we said was correct except for the errors
Last weeks newsreak story on the obvious criminal actions of this out of control Bush dictatorship was 100% correct except for the first paragraph and the conclusion and part but not all of the factual information about the situation that never occurred.
We are not withdrawing our story because our reliable source was killed in a prison break attempt, according to the information we received from the Pentagon janitor who refused to give us his name. We have joined the ACLU in legal action against the murderous Pentagon for not denying they have an assassination squad made up of undercover belly dancers dressed up like Barny Hanks.
15 posted on 05/18/2005 12:29:35 AM PDT by Liberal Bob (http://democrap.com)
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To: Lord Nelson

Exactly! But, of course, that is Bush's fault.


16 posted on 05/18/2005 12:35:35 AM PDT by Goodgirlinred ( GoodGirlInRed Four More Years!!!!!)
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To: Goodgirlinred
According to leftist logic the attack on the Russian schoolhouse is Bush's fault. Somehow Bush has taken control of the media and framed Islam in India, in the Philippines, in Israel, in Russia, and the Balkans. They didn't really saw off a few heads on Al Jazeera.
17 posted on 05/18/2005 12:57:33 AM PDT by Lord Nelson
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To: Lord Nelson
Exactly why are the Moslems in the Sudan murdering an enslaving non-Moslems?

That is/was the case in the southern part of Sudan against Christians and animists. In Darfur, it is Arab Muslim against African Muslim, i.e. control of resources.

In one tiny wooden stall, Mohammed Ahmed, 45, sat hunched on a stool, making leather pouches and stuffing them with verses from the Koran on dried strips of goatskin. Both the rebels and government soldiers use these charms, he said, adding that he was the only merchant still doing brisk business.

It's on the second webpage, not far from the top. It starts near the end of the pic. WaPo can't state explicitly that it's Janjaweed racism.

18 posted on 05/18/2005 12:59:55 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

Thanks. I wasn't aware of that about Darfur. I am more concerned about the Sudanese Christians and animists.


19 posted on 05/18/2005 1:02:22 AM PDT by Lord Nelson
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To: neverdem

Lawyers, used car salesmen and journalists.......


20 posted on 05/18/2005 3:35:04 AM PDT by Route101
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