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{University of Oregon at Eugene} Officials Defend Class Enrollment Restrictions
University of Oregon newspaper ^ | 05-12-05 | Paben, Jared

Posted on 05/14/2005 5:56:38 AM PDT by Theodore R.

Officials defend class enrollment restrictions The Office of Multicultural Academic Support claims its practice of withholding slots for minority students is legal Jared Paben News Editor

May 12, 2005

When senior Stephanie Ramey tried to sign up online for Math 243 Calculus for Business and Social Science for spring term she was denied access and informed she would have to contact the class professor. The professor asked her to contact the Office of Multicultural Academic Support about enrolling in his class.

A staff member at the office said she couldn't register for the class because she doesn't identify as a minority, Ramey said.

Ramey, who tried to get into the section because it was the only one available, was told that if she wanted to be in the class, she'd have to show up at 7:45 a.m. Monday, the first day of classes, and meet with an adviser before she could enroll, she said.

"I guess I was just really surprised and irritated because I thought I had a right to get into the class too. ... I guess I felt a little bit discriminated against," Ramey said. "For a sophomore math class, I shouldn't have to wait just because I'm white."

Ramey attempted to enroll in one of six University classes this term that reserve the first 10 slots in an 18-student class for minority students, while requiring others who want to get into the class to arrive on the morning of the first day of class and meet with an adviser before being allowed to register for the remaining eight slots. The OMAS pays for and controls three lower-division math and three lower-division English classes that allow fewer enrolled students and provide more individualized instructor attention. While other sections of Math 242 and Math 243 this term have an average of 115 students for lectures, 29 students for discussions and 35 students for integrated classes, the OMAS classes had a maximum of 18 students. The general Writing 121 and Writing 122 sections had an average of 25 students per class, and the OMAS sections were again restricted to 18 students.

Linda Liu, advising coordinator and academic adviser for OMAS, said the classes are meant to offer a safe haven for minority students and give struggling students a chance to work more closely with professors.

But Edward Blum -- senior fellow at the conservative Virginia-based Center for Equal Opportunity, which monitors education policy and has filed complaints with the federal government about race-exclusive programs at universities across the nation -- said the policy is illegal.

"I can say it 10 different ways, but it's illegal, and the Department of Education will shut this down if it's brought to their attention," Blum said.

Blum said the policy amounts to a "very fast, hard quota system that will never stand up in court" and is similar to the University of Michigan undergraduate racial quota system struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court in 2003.

Students must identify as being African-American, Asian-American/Pacific Islander, Chicano/Latino, Native American or multiracial to enroll in the first 10 slots. The OMAS confirms all students' racial identifications with the Office of the Registrar, Liu said.

Greg Vincent, vice provost for institutional equity and diversity, said the University offers a smaller class setting for these "gateway courses" for students who could benefit from them. He said the classes also provide a comforting environment that minority students may not get in other classes. The classes aren't based on a quota, and after the initial 10 spots are filled, the classes are open to everyone, he said.

"We only give preference for a number of slots," Vincent said. "I think it's ethical. I think it is legal. I think it is effective."

Liu said her office receives several students each term who call the policy reverse discrimination.

But Liu said during the seven years she's been in control of enrollment for the classes, there have always been spots open for students who want to enroll after the initial 10 spots are filled.

"If students really need it because they want that time, they want that class, they're willing to wake up at 7:30 to get here. And it takes less than five minutes to do the preauthorization and register for them," Liu said.

This spring term, all of the classes had open spaces but no students showed up at the OMAS on the first day of classes to meet with her and enroll, Liu said.

University Senior Instructor Michel Kovcholovsky, who teaches the OMAS's math classes, said the classes were created to foster a comfortable environment for minorities. "That was the basic idea, so that they don't feel afraid to raise their hand and ask something."

He said he understands that some students get angry over the class enrollment policy, which he has no control over. "Is it unfair? That, I'd rather not even go there. I understand the reason why it exists."

He said students enjoy interacting with him one-on-one. The course material he teaches is exactly the same. "To lower the standards for people of color would be racism," Kovcholovsky said.

Liu said all students still have to meet basic academic requirements necessary to get into the OMAS classes and that sometimes people misunderstand and think the classes are remedial. "Sometimes we get the athletic department wanting to send us students who don't necessarily have the (academic) requirements ... and they believe these classes are remedial and we have to tell them it's not. If anything, it's harder," Liu said.

Senior psychology major Kady-Ann Davy, who identifies as Jamaican American, said she took an OMAS Writing 122 class her sophomore year, and she liked the class because it covered diverse cultures and provided time to free-write about her own experiences with diversity. She said the enrollment policy is fair because coming from a smaller high school, she liked the opportunity to study in a smaller class and that the remaining slots still give everybody a chance to enroll.

"Knowing that it's open to everybody the first day, first come, first served, if there's any slot openings, I feel that still gives the opportunity for the other population of students to come and sign up for the class," Davy said.

Other departments also have classes specifically designated for specific student populations. The American English Institute has a Writing 121E class each term for students who speak English as a second language. The instructor is more sensitive to the grammatical needs of those students. Academic Learning Services also has a program, funded by a federal grant, that students can apply for if they are low income, first generation college students or have documented disabilities. Students in that program have first priority on a Math 111 class taught by ALS Math Specialist Doug Hintz. The federal grant requires students who have a greater need of the class to get priority, Hintz said.

Blum said these classes aren't illegal because neither uses race as a determinant for enrollment.

Roger Clegg, general counsel for the Center for Equal Opportunity, said in the Regents of the University of California v. Bakke decision, the Supreme Court "made it clear setting aside slots on the basis of race is illegal."

"The legality aside, it's just wrong," Clegg said. "It's divisive to tell students you're not going to be considered because of your skin color ... I hope that the University will look at the law and will reconsider the policy."

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- jaredpaben@dailyemerald.com


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: academia; affirmativeaction; eugene; highereducation; multiculturalism; or; preferences; stephanieramey; university

1 posted on 05/14/2005 5:56:39 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: Theodore R.

I don't racially identify myself on any form whatsoever. It's really none of the school's business. Someone had an obvious brain fart at this school.


2 posted on 05/14/2005 6:10:33 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: Theodore R.

"I guess I was just really surprised and irritated because I thought I had a right to get into the class too. ... I guess I felt a little bit discriminated against," Ramey said. "For a sophomore math class, I shouldn't have to wait just because I'm white."

Step to the back of the bus, please.


3 posted on 05/14/2005 6:13:52 AM PDT by L98Fiero
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To: L98Fiero

These liberals try so hard to appear to not be racist.


4 posted on 05/14/2005 6:20:55 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: Theodore R.

I have a B.S. in math. All my math classes focused on math. Race was never a factor.


5 posted on 05/14/2005 6:24:16 AM PDT by grundle
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To: L98Fiero

..The OMAS pays for and controls three lower-division math and three lower-division English classes ...

Pays for? Isn't this a public school? Were these classes somehow payed for by private funds, or are the school bureaucrats confused as to where their money comes from.


6 posted on 05/14/2005 6:25:46 AM PDT by Old North State
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To: Theodore R.

"Asian-American/Pacific Islander"

I sincerely doubt that most asian-american students need to be in the remedial math classes.

It would be very easy to prove that the quotas in place here are wholey and soley based on race, not educational need.

And, as the man said, that will be the end of that.


7 posted on 05/14/2005 6:48:02 AM PDT by jocon307 (Irish grandmother rolls in grave, yet again.)
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To: Salvation

FYI ~ Ping!


8 posted on 05/14/2005 7:01:41 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Theodore R.

the spin these people put on is amazing!

"Knowing that it's open to everybody the first day, first come, first served, if there's any slot openings, I feel that still gives the opportunity for the other population of students to come and sign up for the class," Davy said.

it would be like the Whites in Alabama (1964) saying that bus seats are open to everybody (including Blacks) on a first come, first served basis if there's any bus seats open on a full bus. These people are twisted!


9 posted on 05/14/2005 7:04:38 AM PDT by amexmike
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To: Theodore R.

One would think that if a person lives in America, but is not considered to be a Native American, he or she would qualify as a minority.


10 posted on 05/14/2005 7:14:26 AM PDT by mtg
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To: grundle

Well, welcome to Hillary's Brave New World.

Race first, last, and always.


11 posted on 05/14/2005 7:19:40 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (-I can only contribute to FR monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS contributes to her campaign every day)
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To: Theodore R.
I think I would like to see this happen; Voting by Republicans is open and easily available for about 6 weeks.Then Democrats can show up at an obscure location they can only find out about by calling someone and go through an indoctrination and preregistration process and vote for 1 hour --IF -- not too many others show up!
12 posted on 05/14/2005 7:23:20 AM PDT by builder (I don't want a piece of someone else's pie)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Sub-text: U. of Oregon admits it admits academically unprepared. Tuition costs are highway robbery at the nation's only community college university.


13 posted on 05/14/2005 7:24:12 AM PDT by gaspar
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To: jocon307
You wrote:I sincerely doubt that most asian-american students need to be in the remedial math classes.

The article said these were gateway/lower-division (translation - freshman/sophomore) classes, not "remedial".

Linda Liu, advising coordinator and academic adviser for OMAS, said the classes are meant to offer a safe haven for minority students and give struggling students a chance to work more closely with professors.

The quote above is interesting since this level of coursework (fresh/soph) at most large universities is notorious for having graduate assistants as teachers rather than professors. This whole scheme absolutely stinks.

14 posted on 05/14/2005 7:42:53 AM PDT by T-Bird45
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To: cyborg
I don't racially identify myself on any form whatsoever. It's really none of the school's business.

I had no problem with my university knowing that I, randog, as white as the driven snow, was really a black man. I often wonder if that's what got me all those scholarships.

15 posted on 05/14/2005 7:53:52 AM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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To: randog

All students are equal. Some students are more equal...


16 posted on 05/14/2005 8:27:32 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Theodore R.
"I guess I was just really surprised and irritated because I thought I had a right to get into the class too. ... I guess I felt a little bit discriminated against," Ramey said.

"Yeah, I kinda sorta thought that maybe I was treated just a teensy, weensy bit unfairly. But please don't think I'm really complaining or anything. I'm not racist! I'm not opposed to multiculturalism or anything like that! I know my place. Please don't think badly of me. I'll go to the back of the bus now. Forget I said anything."

17 posted on 05/14/2005 8:33:45 AM PDT by Nea Wood (I considered atheism but there weren't enough holidays.)
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To: Theodore R.; oregon; abcraghead; aimhigh; Archie Bunker on steroids; bicycle thug; blackie; ...

Oregon Ping

Please notify me via FReepmail if you would like to be added to or taken off the Oregon Ping List.

18 posted on 05/16/2005 2:28:16 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

Socialism run amuck!


19 posted on 05/16/2005 3:01:30 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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