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Mulroney and The Liberals
Toronto Sun ^ | Wed.,May 4/05 | Editorial Board

Posted on 05/04/2005 2:40:15 PM PDT by fanfan

Of all the dumb arguments desperate supporters of the federal Liberal party are making these days for keeping the Grits in power, here is the absolute dumbest.

It's that the Liberals don't deserve to be tossed from power over AdScam because the previous Tory government of Brian Mulroney was just as corrupt.

Talk about being as dumb as a bag of hammers!

Let's dissect this argument, logically.

When Liberals argue that the Conservative government of 1993 was as bad as the Liberal government of today, they are also admitting that the Liberals of today are no better than the Conservatives of 1993. And if that's the case then, according to the Liberals' own logic, they deserve the same fate.

Have crazed Liberal supporters forgotten that voters reduced the Mulroney/Kim Campell Conservatives to two seats in the 1993 federal election? By their own logic, then, this is exactly what should now happen to the Jean Chretien/Paul Martin Liberals, whenever they finally have to face the electorate.

Sun reader Steve Hocevar summed up the absurdity of the Liberals' argument in an April 20 letter to the editor. As he noted:

"The sponsorship scandal has defined the major differences between liberal voters and conservative voters. When Brian Mulroney's government became arrogant, conservative voters decimated (it), leaving (it) with only two seats. Conservative voters know the only way to make governments accountable is to show them the door. They put honesty, integrity and the belief in good governance above political philosophy.

"It's very unfortunate liberal voters are not so astute. They rationalize, stating things like, 'Paul is not Jean', 'politicians are all the same' and 'the PCs are just as bad.'"

Precisely. While we wouldn't go as far as Hocevar in arguing that all Liberal supporters think this way, a lot of them do.

Aren't they the least bit embarrassed to be making essentially the same argument as Alfonso Gagliano, Canada's infamous former public works minister and ambassador to Denmark?

Gagliano, too, tried to minimize Liberal wrongdoing by referring to the Mulroney government in a recent interview with the National Post. He also predicted Martin's decision to call the Gomery inquiry would lead to the breakup of Canada.

Now, as much as we want to see Martin defeated in the next election, even we wouldn't make a dumb argument like that.

Obviously it was AdScam, not the inquiry into it, which has revived separatist sentiment in Quebec and put Canada at risk.

Even we wouldn't be that unfair to Paul Martin.

Then again, we're not Liberals.

And another thing ...

Watching Paul Martin and the Liberals trying to bribe Canadians-- with their own money -- into voting for them yet again, reminds us of P.J. O'Rourke's famous line from Parliament of Whores that "giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."


TOPICS: Canada; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: adscam; canada; liberals

1 posted on 05/04/2005 2:40:15 PM PDT by fanfan
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To: GMMAC; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; headsonpikes; coteblanche; ...
PING

Please let me know if you want on or off the Canada/Adscam ping list

2 posted on 05/04/2005 2:42:52 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: fanfan

Lest we forget - Mulroney was the hack lawyer who turned the PCs into a clone of the Trudeaupian Liberals!

Mulroney was the slick Establishment b*stard who inspired the Reform Party by his betrayal of every Conservative political virtue - every virtue save looking after your friends, that is; Mulroney was a dab hand at that!


3 posted on 05/04/2005 2:58:15 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: headsonpikes
The big difference is that when our side became corrupt, we kicked them out.

The Liberals on the other hand want to defend their corruption.

Conservatives have morals, Liberals don't.

4 posted on 05/04/2005 3:02:06 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: fanfan

The Liberal Party is indistinguishable from a criminal conspiracy.

How any Canadian could bring themselves to vote for this African-style kleptocracy is beyond me.

If I couldn't abide voting for a Tory, then I would vote for a Green, or an NDPer, or a Marxist-Leninist, before I would vote for a representative of this unspeakable cabal.

Joe Volpe claims it's unfair to compare Chretien and the Liberals to Tony Soprano and his Mob. He has a point - the writers give Tony Soprano a conscience, the Liberals have none.


5 posted on 05/04/2005 3:11:12 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: fanfan
Good post but maybe we should all consider BC BOY'S current understanding of reality which is that the issue is not one of morals or lack thereof of but rather the unarguable fact that Ontarians will NEVER give up power to colonists from the west...the Liberals could elect Osama as the Liberal party leader of the party and Ontarians would still elect Liberal MP's..oh well some of us are sicker than others..power begets insanity...EH!!!!
6 posted on 05/04/2005 3:15:46 PM PDT by bc boy (bc boy is back from cancun)
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To: fanfan
Conservatives have morals, Liberals don't.

It seems Liberals/Lefties are the same on both sides of the 49th.
7 posted on 05/05/2005 6:25:50 AM PDT by BJClinton (Giuliani/DeLay 2008)
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To: fanfan
reduced ... to two seats? By their own logic, then, this is exactly what should now happen to the Jean Chretien/Paul Martin Liberals, whenever they finally have to face the electorate.

From your lips to G*d's ear.

8 posted on 05/05/2005 6:28:14 AM PDT by katana
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To: headsonpikes
If I couldn't abide voting for a Tory, then I would vote for a Green, or an NDPer, or a Marxist-Leninist, before I would vote for a representative of this unspeakable cabal.

And thats how the NDP got inpower in Ontario and they made a disaster of the provincial government by running things solely on the basis of political correctness and not on whether anything made any sense.

9 posted on 05/05/2005 6:51:22 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: doc30

I am unclear as to what you are claiming.


10 posted on 05/05/2005 7:07:43 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: headsonpikes

Back in the early '90's, the NDP came to power becasue people were upset with the federal govenrment (conservative un Mulrony) and the provincial government (the liberals at the time) and a lot of people voted NDP as an alternative to the big 2 parties. The result, to everyone's surprise, even to the NDP, was winning a majority government in Ontario. In your previous post you said you would vote for one of these third parties and I was just showing, historically, that your thoughts were the thoughts of many Canadians and it resulted in a true socialist party getting power in the biggest province in Canada.


11 posted on 05/05/2005 7:24:31 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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Supporting crooks will not stave off socialism in Canada.

I'm not sure that anything will, actually.

"Give the people what they want, and give it to them good and hard!"


12 posted on 05/05/2005 7:36:34 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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