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Italy media reveals Iraq details (inc FULL class. report, names & US rules of engagement )
BBC ^ | May 2, 2005 | David Willey

Posted on 05/02/2005 9:05:53 AM PDT by QQQQQ

Italian media have published classified sections of an official US military inquiry into the accidental killing of an Italian agent in Baghdad. The 40-page report was censored by the Pentagon before being officially published on Saturday.

Italy has refused to accept the US report's findings and is to publish its own version of events later this week.

Details of the official report were published in newspapers on Sunday with censored material restored in full.

Missing text

A Greek medical student at Bologna University who was surfing the web early on Sunday found that with two simple clicks of his computer mouse he could restore censored portions of the report.

He passed the details to Italian newspapers which immediately put out the full text on their own websites.

The missing text contains the names and ranks of all of the American military personnel involved in the killing of Nicola Calipari, the Italian agent who was given a state funeral and awarded Italy's highest medal of valour.

It also reveals the rules of engagement in operation at the military checkpoint near Baghdad airport which have been contested by the Italian authorities.

The censored sections include recommendations that the American military modify their checkpoint procedures to give better and clearer warning signs to approaching vehicles.

The official Italian report on the incident expected to be published this week will accuse the American military of tampering with evidence at the scene of the shooting.

The Americans invited two Italians to join in their inquiry, but the Italian representatives protested at what they claimed was lack of objectivity in presenting the evidence and returned to Rome.

Relations between Rome and Washington remain tense.

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Differing Accounts:

US military: Car approaches checkpoint at high speed Troops attempt to tell driver to stop with arm signals, lights and warning shots Soldiers shoot into engine

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Italian government: Italy makes all necessary contacts with the US for safe passage The driver stops immediately when a light flashes 10m away At the same time, shots are fired into car for 10-15 seconds


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: calipari; espionage; iraq; italy; mediabias; nationalsecurity; nicolacalipari; secrets; sgrena; troopsecurity
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Iraq shooting: Differing accounts

It is highly irresponsible on the part of the Italian media to publish the parts that the US lines out, it may jeopardize lives and give info to the terrorists about our procedures and rules of engagement at checkpoints.

1 posted on 05/02/2005 9:05:55 AM PDT by QQQQQ
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To: QQQQQ

Entire pages of the US report had been blackened out

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You can see how much info, that the US didn't want to be made public the Italians revealed anyway.

2 posted on 05/02/2005 9:08:25 AM PDT by QQQQQ
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To: QQQQQ

Et tu, Italia?

Being of Italian descent, this is a shock to the system.


3 posted on 05/02/2005 9:09:25 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty ("Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind." —Albert Einstein)
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To: QQQQQ

You have to thank Bill Gates too ... MS Word saves all sorts of changes and keeps them, even though they're not displayed. Well, you can display them.


4 posted on 05/02/2005 9:10:49 AM PDT by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: QQQQQ

Got any links so that we can give the Italian media responsible a good old-fashioned US freeping?


5 posted on 05/02/2005 9:11:15 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty ("Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind." —Albert Einstein)
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To: Kerretarded

Well, I am sure not all Italians are like that -- there, as here, the leftist press is trying to do everything to damage the US and Italy, I might add, by helping the terrorists.


6 posted on 05/02/2005 9:12:00 AM PDT by QQQQQ
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To: QQQQQ

Did they happen to dig up WHY THEY DIDN'T STOP?


7 posted on 05/02/2005 9:12:18 AM PDT by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: QQQQQ

this commie lady is really Full of it. I remember hearing there were hundreds of bullets shot at her.

"A forensic examination of the car found 11 bullet holes, and that a trajectory analysis showed they all came from one point of origin - implying that only one man had shot at the car."


8 posted on 05/02/2005 9:12:56 AM PDT by kendu
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To: QQQQQ

It might be irresponsible, but how stupid is the Pentagon if they released an unredacted pdf document? All you do is convert it to a text file, and the blacked out portions magically reappear. They should have manually blacked out portions, scanned them, and posted them on-line as gifs or tiffs or anything else. Seriously, this is just incompetent. Most 13 year olds could create a more secure document. Oy.


9 posted on 05/02/2005 9:13:02 AM PDT by keepingtrack
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To: QQQQQ

I am sure the redactions are important, but most ROE's are not secret and are easily accesed throughout the web. Most of the ROE's are common sense I still have my green ROE card from the invasion. Its simple stuff like you always maintain the right to self defense, rule on enemy combatants that raise there arms in surrender and stuff.


10 posted on 05/02/2005 9:14:16 AM PDT by aft_lizard (This space waiting for a post election epiphany)
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To: weegee

Well, if they do, I'm sure it will go something like, "George Bush that evil American cowboy is the reason we couldn't stop."


11 posted on 05/02/2005 9:14:35 AM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: keepingtrack

That was my first thought as well. What a bonehead move...


12 posted on 05/02/2005 9:15:29 AM PDT by Damocles ("This young century will be Liberty's century" - President Bush)
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To: QQQQQ
Yes it was irresponsible for the Italian media to publish the classified portions of the report and yes it may endanger the specific Americans named. IMO that was their intent. The Italian communist left would like nothing better than some dead Americans. They have painted us as murdering cowboys and made common cause with the Iraqi terrorists.
13 posted on 05/02/2005 9:16:23 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: QQQQQ
We have satellite photos. Give it up already Italy as you've probably responsible for tens of people killed because of that ransom payout.
14 posted on 05/02/2005 9:16:45 AM PDT by bahblahbah
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To: Kerretarded

Well, I don't have any links to the papers, but here is the link to the Italian Embassy in the US.

I don't know if the Italian government has any more influence over the press, than we do here, but they should have made sure to only provide the media the sanitized report. (Of course the US should have made sure, before handing over anything, that the censored portions couldn't be restored)

http://www.italyemb.org/Contact%20us.htm


Press and Information Office

Tel (202) 612-4444
Fax (202) 518-2154
For general information e-mail: stampa@itwash.org


But I would go light on accusing all Italians for their media, we have the same thing here, unfortunately.


15 posted on 05/02/2005 9:17:40 AM PDT by QQQQQ
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Italy has refused to accept the US report's ....

"Italy has..." !!!

Remember folks this is the BBC talking here.

16 posted on 05/02/2005 9:22:40 AM PDT by Poincare
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To: QQQQQ

I doubt the Italian media can do anything more with their media than we can do with ours. And ours sucks.


17 posted on 05/02/2005 9:24:31 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: QQQQQ
A Greek medical student at Bologna University who was surfing the web early on Sunday found that with two simple clicks of his computer mouse he could restore censored portions of the report

IF TRUE, somebody is in deep doodoo with the information security folks.

18 posted on 05/02/2005 9:35:53 AM PDT by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
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To: QQQQQ
But I would go light on accusing all Italians for their media, we have the same thing here, unfortunately.

I am not by any means blaming all Italians. That is why I would like to send something directly to the media source who chose to do this.
19 posted on 05/02/2005 9:37:33 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty ("Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind." —Albert Einstein)
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To: QQQQQ
A Greek medical student at Bologna University who was surfing the web early on Sunday found that with two simple clicks of his computer mouse he could restore censored portions of the report.

Utterly idiotic. Whoever published a digital document with the redacted portions still imbedded ought to be drawn and quartered.

20 posted on 05/02/2005 9:38:06 AM PDT by Sloth (I don't post a lot of the threads you read; I make a lot of the threads you read better.)
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