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Republicans vow retaliation in ethics feud - Democrats told to expect rash of inquiries into actions
Toledo Blade ^ | 5/29/05 | KAREN MacPHERSON

Posted on 04/30/2005 9:16:35 AM PDT by Libloather

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To: paul51

I think dissolving the government and throwing over (over throwing?) the constitution is a fine idea. It's been more or less completely subverted by now, time to start fresh.


41 posted on 04/30/2005 11:52:18 AM PDT by johnb838 (Free Republicans... To Arms!)
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To: EagleUSA
Pelosie and Michael Jackson both have something in common.

Besides being perverts they both have tried to rearrange their looks.
42 posted on 04/30/2005 11:55:03 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (LL THE)
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To: FormerACLUmember

Man, did you hit the nail on the head. Democrat Enablers Anonymous. "Hi I'm George and I love to get rolled by the Democrats..."

Nobody could be this cowardly on purpose. The GOP has to be closet socialists.


43 posted on 04/30/2005 11:55:26 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: EagleUSA

I cant argue with you on that point. I've only been able to vote as of 2000 and I've noticed that there is alot of Political Party Politics before American People Politics kind of garbage going on. If the ignorant college kid like myself can see this stuff I dont know what the heck has been keeping people from voting PRINCIPLE over POLITICS. I acutally think that is what the politicians are trying to do to us. By presenting us with a new threat or danger to our current societal situation, they are able to scared people into electing just who they want in office. Supressing 3rd parties also helps get the job done. Just look at what Rendell did to Nader in PA. Now i'm not saying that I'd ever vote Green Party (because i'd vote Constitution Party) but the principle of the matter should just outrage every one of us. My bet is that the Repubs run Mr. 1st Amendment himself (John McCain) just because he is a moderate so that while there may be a split in the party(moderates vs conservatives), McCain will try to be a Centrist and take some of the middle of the road dems and may keep hilary out of office.


44 posted on 04/30/2005 11:55:27 AM PDT by IronChefSakai (Life, Liberty, and Limited Government!)
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To: Libloather

The democrap party is built upon lies and obfuscation, blood of the innocent and deviancy. And they want to instigate an 'ethics skirmish'? Bwahahahahaha ... Tom Delay should wipe the floor with them, then wring the cloth out and toss it Senate wide.


45 posted on 04/30/2005 11:58:28 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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Rise like lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number.
Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you.
Ye are many.
They are few.


46 posted on 04/30/2005 11:58:48 AM PDT by IronChefSakai (Life, Liberty, and Limited Government!)
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To: paul51

I'm with you.

We've been had.

Next election, I'm voting NO!


47 posted on 04/30/2005 12:01:01 PM PDT by WhiteGuy ("a taxpayer dollar must be spent wisely, or not at all" - GW BUSH </sarcasm>)
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To: Libloather
Yes.... things are just about to get very interesting.
Please pass the popcorn.
48 posted on 04/30/2005 12:10:02 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: auboy
It will be interesting to see how they like status quo when they get the same treatment as Tom Delay. Are you listening Nancy?

Does a tree make a noise when it falls in a forest with no one to hear it? Unfortunately for our side, the Dems run most of the noisemaking machinery (a.k.a. mainstream media). From reading my Saturday Ventura County (CA) Star, I'd have to believe the worst from its page one editorial, called "analysis," (in the form of an AP opinion piece by Terence Hunt). It's headlined "Bush Has Had Rough Start to His 2nd Term" and the first few paragraphs read as follows:

"One hundred days into his second term, President Bush has lost much of the political muscle he boasted about after winning re-election. Gas prices are rising, his approval ratings are sagging and Americans are unhappy with his handling of the economy and Iraq.

"Now he's trying to sell a Social Security plan that would cut future benefits for all but low-income retirees -- giving opponents fresh ammunition. Even before Bush unveiled his new proposal -- and despite a 60-day sales campaign -- a majority of Americans thought he had mishandled Social Security too.

"Along with his other troubles, Bush has had to prop up two endangered Republicans: House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, accused of ethical lapses, and John Bolton, the president's choice for U.N. ambassador, criticized for his judgment and treatment of subordinates." And of course the story then jumps to page 7, leaving most newspaper skimmers with a very negative impression of the President's predicament."

No blatant political agenda there, right? Other headlines from page one: "In Iraq, insurgents set off 17 bombs," "Mexico upset at governor's praise for Minutemen" (this is an area with a large hispanic population including plenty of illegals); and in big, bold black type the lead headline trumpets: "County's CEO may get 10.5% pay raise," clearly a Bad Thing. What you don't learn until the end of the story on page 6 (which few will read) is that he "...resisted union demands for costly pension increases, helped get expensive formula-based salary guarantees removed from labor contracts," etc.

Push polls and unending media pro-Democrat ankle-biting lies and bias have proven very effective in the past at derailing the conservative agenda. No matter how things go with Pelosi and others, it will likely be a tree falling unheard in the forest.

49 posted on 04/30/2005 12:22:42 PM PDT by Bernard Marx (Don't make the mistake of interpreting my Civility as Servility)
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To: Bernard Marx

A few old sayings come to mind.
The Dem's might take notice of these . . .

He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones.

Don't get into a gunfight when you only have a knife.

and one of my favorites from Teddy Roosevelt . . .

Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft!


50 posted on 04/30/2005 12:35:34 PM PDT by bgsugar
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To: bgsugar

There is a game going on and it is called Texas Holdem. Bush, Rove, DeLay and Frist know what they are doing.

IMHO, things are falling into place. The Republicans are making the Rats look like whining cry babies and with the Internet and Fox being a large source of news coverage, the Rats no longer can hide behind the MSM as well as they once did.

The Republicans are playing chess. The Rats are playing checkers.


51 posted on 04/30/2005 1:48:58 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Liberal Talking Point - Bush = Hitler ... Republican Talking Point - Let the Liberals Talk)
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To: EQAndyBuzz; bgsugar
The Republicans are playing chess. The Rats are playing checkers.

I hope you're right. Sometimes I console myself by meditating on the fact that Frist's a surgeon while the Rats are back-alley knife-fighters. But the Rats know how to use power, and knife-fighters in a mob can be dangerous.

52 posted on 04/30/2005 2:06:19 PM PDT by Bernard Marx (Don't make the mistake of interpreting my Civility as Servility)
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To: Libloather

It's about time, though I'll believe the GOP has the spine to make its threat stick only when I see it.


53 posted on 04/30/2005 2:41:53 PM PDT by white trash redneck (Everything I needed to know about Islam I learned on 9-11-01.)
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To: Bernard Marx
Ventura County (CA) Star

A better name would Red Star or Star-Democrat. Like many newspapers today, the Star is not locally owned (E.W. Scripps), and is guilty of publishing on the cheap. I loaded the paper's on line edition and it seems that they depend on AP (Always Propaganda) almost exclusively for national and international "news" reports.

No matter how things go with Pelosi and others, it will likely be a tree falling unheard in the forest.

You may be correct. But I do think that a growing number of citizens have lost faith in major media outlets. In reading some of the AP "reports", the "reporters" could not be more left leaning if Al Gore wrote their garbage.

Hearing is greatly improved when one's ears are not filled with manure. Maybe, just maybe, we will begin to hear some weeping willows fall.

54 posted on 04/30/2005 3:27:38 PM PDT by auboy
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To: Soul Seeker
And frankly I'd had it with those of you that come in to bash Republicans without any knowledge of what occured, taking the MSM at value. You are making fools of yourselves on this issue. The Reps are showing spine by reversing the rules and going after the real violators.


55 posted on 04/30/2005 3:30:23 PM PDT by rdb3 (To the world, you're one person. To one person, you may be the world.)
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To: johnb838
I think dissolving the government and throwing over (over throwing?) the constitution is a fine idea. It's been more or less completely subverted by now, time to start fresh.

There is nothing wrong with the constitution. The problem is the self serving weasels that we have in congress That couldn't get a real (productive) job if their life depended on it yet they set themselves up as the elite ruling class as the enrich themselves while they run the country into the ground.

56 posted on 04/30/2005 3:42:01 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Soul Seeker
And frankly I'd had it with those of you that come in to bash Republicans without any knowledge of what occured, taking the MSM at value. You are making fools of yourselves on this issue.

That's OK. I've had it with those that kiss up to the fools in congress just because they are GOP

57 posted on 04/30/2005 3:44:56 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: rdb3
As far as I can tell, no one on this thread has "bashed Republicans". I, for one, am tired of those who view this as if this should be some choreographed WWF Smackdown event.

I question just how much nuance and diplomacy is needed with the kind of majority the Repubs hold in Congress. They don't need to pussyfoot around these liberal efforts to delay (NPI), distract, and thwart implementing their mandate.

As far as I'm concerned we need more 'Boltons' in Congress than we need in the UN!
58 posted on 04/30/2005 4:02:24 PM PDT by FRactional
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To: FRactional
There is constructive criticism, then there is repackaged garbage. Constructive criticism is welcomed, repackaged garbage can take a hike.


59 posted on 04/30/2005 4:24:33 PM PDT by rdb3 (To the world, you're one person. To one person, you may be the world.)
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To: rdb3

Yes, you are correct. You may leave at any time.


60 posted on 04/30/2005 4:27:11 PM PDT by FRactional
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