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Hospital Bug Becomes Issue in Britain
NY Times ^ | April 22, 2005 | THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Posted on 04/22/2005 5:23:47 PM PDT by neverdem

Filed at 3:01 p.m. ET

LONDON (AP) -- It's immune to most antibiotics and has killed hundreds of patients in hospitals across Britain. Now, a superbug has found its way into the British election campaign, with Tony Blair's government promising to slash infection rates.

For the leader of the opposition Conservatives, Michael Howard, the debate is particularly personal: His mother-in-law died of the infection.

''I mean, how hard is it to keep a hospital clean?'' reads a Conservative billboard.

Britain has the second-worst record in Europe for methicillin-resistant staphylococcus aureus, known as MRSA, a bacteria that can kill through blood poisoning and affects hospitals across the developed world.

''Today, when someone in your family gets sick, the worry is made 10 times worse because of Britain's dirty hospitals,'' Howard said in a speech ahead of the May 5 parliamentary vote.

But Blair's camp says the problem started under Conservative governments between 1990 and 1997.

''The Tories failed to tackle MRSA while in office. The Tories' only idea for tackling MRSA, allowing nurses to shut wards, has been slammed by nurses themselves,'' said Health Secretary John Reid. ''You cannot tackle the superbug with a soundbite.''

The NHS Confederation, representing the trusts that operate hospitals, was provoked to dispute Conservative claims. The confederation noted the Conservatives claimed 247 patients had been infected in one constituency. The actual number, the confederation said, was six.

Medical experts believe both sides are guilty of oversimplification. Some say eradicating the bug is already a losing battle.

''Ha, ha, ha,'' said Dr. Henry Chambers, chief of infectious diseases at San Francisco General Hospital when told of an election promise by Blair's Labour Party to halve infection rates by 2008.

''No way. Halving the MRSA rate is illusory. It's a fantasy,'' he said.

He's equally dismissive of the Conservatives' reliance on a chief nurse to oversee hygiene and upgrade cleaning standards.

''You can maybe slow it, maybe change the rate a little teeny bit and affect the level at any given period of time, but ultimately I think the organisms are so well established that there's not very much that can be done from the dirty hospital point of view,'' said Chambers, an expert on MRSA.

MRSA is a toughened variety of its parent, staphylococcus aureus, or staph, which is carried in the nostrils and on the skin of about 40 percent of the population and is a common cause of infections. MRSA is immune to many conventional antibiotics that are successful against general staph.

Like other bacteria, MRSA usually gets into the blood through a wound from surgery or from a tube inserted into the bloodstream to deliver nutrition or drugs. However, its fatality rates are no greater than regular staph, experts say.

Britain has the second-highest prevalence of MRSA in Europe, after Greece. About 46 percent of all staph infections acquired in British hospitals are MRSA. Scandinavia and the Netherlands have the lowest MRSA rates, at less than 2 percent.

Of about 11 million hospital admissions in Britain in 2003, 7,683 patients contracted MRSA; 321 of those patients died of MRSA.

Surveys indicate the problems is even worse in the United States, where 56 percent of all hospital-acquired staph infections in 2004 were MRSA.

''It is a function of the fact that hospitals are where sick people are and where antibiotics are used,'' Chambers said. The use of antibiotics helps speed the ability of germs to mutate for self-preservation.

Hospitals are also treating older and sicker people these days and performing more adventurous surgery and treatments that require more tubes to be inserted into the body. All of that presents opportunities for MRSA.

''Nothing has stopped the march of these organisms and once they get into the community -- and they already have -- any hope of containing them is gone,'' Chambers said.

Some experts believe strict infection control measures, such as nurses washing their hands between every patient contact and isolating infected patients, can help substantially. They agree that having head nurses police cleaning staff would not have any direct impact.

Hand-washing is at the top of the list of prevention measures. But even that isn't an easy fix.

''A nurse might have 100 times a day where she has to wash her hands. The alcohol gel is an irritant. It dries out the hands, and dry irritated hands are more easily colonized with MRSA,'' said Dr. Mark Enright, an MRSA specialist at Bath University in England. ''It's a very complex, interrelated set of things.''

Another important factor is the number of patients in British hospitals.

''Relative to other countries, there's very high bed occupancy -- approaching 100 percent. In the Netherlands, the bed occupancy is about 60 percent, which makes it easier to isolate someone with MRSA,'' Enright said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons; US: California; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: health; healthcare; mrsa; staphinfections; staphylococcus; superbacteria
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1 posted on 04/22/2005 5:23:47 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: El Gato; JudyB1938; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Robert A. Cook, PE; lepton; LadyDoc; jb6; tiamat; PGalt; ..

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2 posted on 04/22/2005 5:25:13 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
Some experts believe strict infection control measures, such as nurses washing their hands between every patient contact and isolating infected patients, can help substantially.

They're not doing this already? No wonder they're having these problems.

4 posted on 04/22/2005 5:28:48 PM PDT by Born Conservative ("Mr. Chamberlain loves the working man, he loves to see him work" - Winston Churchill)
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To: William Creel

I think it's more human nature than anything. When someone gets sick, they think an antibiotic will cure them (even for viruses). When they take an antibiotic and start feeling better, they stop the antibiotic and "save it for next time". Both of these situations help develop resistance.


5 posted on 04/22/2005 5:30:59 PM PDT by Born Conservative ("Mr. Chamberlain loves the working man, he loves to see him work" - Winston Churchill)
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To: neverdem

We need to get back to first principles in infection control, the stuff Lister set up before antibiotics. Hospitals should NOT have crap like carpeting, curtains cloth chairs etc in the patient rooms or on the wards. It should be all tile, vinyl, blinds things that can be scrubbed down and disinfected. This stuff, infection control was all learned, and now gradually forgotten as we have gotten sloppy because of antibiotics.


6 posted on 04/22/2005 5:32:57 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: neverdem

Welcome to National Health Care.

Oh, and by the way, it took 10 months for most of these folks to even get into the hospital.

Someone should post those UK disease mortality rates again.


7 posted on 04/22/2005 5:35:08 PM PDT by Wiseghy ("Sometimes you're windshield, sometimes you' re the bug")
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To: neverdem; Kozak; Born Conservative

Best estimates are that hospital infections kill 80,000 Americans a year.


8 posted on 04/22/2005 5:46:04 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun
one way to help stop it is to say no to Moms with kids with viral respiratory infections who demand antibiotics.

Just say no.

9 posted on 04/22/2005 6:07:59 PM PDT by corkoman (Overhyped)
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To: neverdem
Socialized medicine hellholes in Britain include open co-ed wards, unchanged in 100 years. This is something inconceivable to Americans, but hey, its "free."

You take you life in your hands in this fithy British wards.

10 posted on 04/22/2005 6:10:40 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Honoring Saint Jude's assistance every day.)
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To: Kozak
We need to get back to first principles in infection control, the stuff Lister set up before antibiotics. Hospitals should NOT have crap like carpeting, curtains cloth chairs etc in the patient rooms or on the wards. It should be all tile, vinyl, blinds things that can be scrubbed down and disinfected. This stuff, infection control was all learned, and now gradually forgotten as we have gotten sloppy because of antibiotics.

My mother, a former nurse, is appalled at the general lack of concern for cleanliness in U.S. hospitals. She complains about the carpet on the floor, as you do; but her biggest complaint is that the hospital staff do not wash their hands before touching a patient.

11 posted on 04/22/2005 6:23:27 PM PDT by Logophile
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To: neverdem

Actually this is all a lie. Bacteria "evolve" resistance according to evolution, but evolution has been disproven time and time again.

The truth is that these resistant bacteria were created and must have been trapped somewhere until they were recently disturbed. Perhaps in a cave or something.


12 posted on 04/22/2005 6:41:22 PM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: neverdem

bump


13 posted on 04/22/2005 6:43:56 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: anniegetyourgun
Best estimates are that hospital infections kill 80,000 Americans a year.

Do you have a reference?

14 posted on 04/22/2005 7:05:54 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
''A nurse might have 100 times a day where she has to wash her hands. The alcohol gel is an irritant. It dries out the hands, and dry irritated hands are more easily colonized with MRSA,'' said Dr. Mark Enright, an MRSA specialist at Bath University in England. ''It's a very complex, interrelated set of things.''

I thought studies have shown that the waterless hand wash really isn't as good as running water and soap. You can also wash your hands till the cows come home and it will not stop you from shedding MRSA if you are growing it in you armpits, groin, tonsils, sinuses or scalp.

I've been on staff twice during an MRSA outbreak. We always found it growing in really hard to get to areas of furniture, such as the underside pedestal of an OR table where the table locks. Infected staff has always had it growing in places other than their hands.

15 posted on 04/22/2005 8:39:07 PM PDT by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghanistan Honor Roll students.)
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To: neverdem

This sounds like a subset of the findings of the Institute of Medicine report in 2000-2001, which estimated a total of 100,000 unnecessary deaths annually caused by medical treatment and hazards of the institutional environments in the US.

The problem of "hospital staph" has been long known and recognized here.


16 posted on 04/22/2005 8:49:56 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard
"Best estimates are that hospital infections kill 80,000 Americans a year."

This sounds like a subset of the findings of the Institute of Medicine report in 2000-2001, which estimated a total of 100,000 unnecessary deaths annually caused by medical treatment and hazards of the institutional environments in the US.

That's what I thought, but that's a bit different from nosocomial infections. That IOM report was nicely dissected in the following report.

How Many Deaths Are Due to Medical Error? Getting the Number Right

17 posted on 04/22/2005 9:06:32 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
this article is full of blarney......nurses are not the culprits...its every doctor or technician or family member who insists on going into isolation without garb and are notoriously poor at washing hands.....

what the heck does "dirty" have to do with anything?

this germ is found on probably most people IMO and it only is dangerous when it gets in contact with people who are immuno-suppressed/ chronically ill...

it has been found on the skin of football players......

the proliferation of various diseases or germs in our society today is very much BECAUSE of our behaviour and our demands.....

let's be honest.....most people feel cheated if they go to the doctor and don't get a presciption or two.....

we've been passing out antibiotics like candy for some 30 yrs now.....

we smoke...we overeat....we drink too much....we take far too many drugs into our system and then we wonder why these "germs" can become so prevalant...

18 posted on 04/22/2005 10:26:27 PM PDT by cherry (I)
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To: snugs

fyi


19 posted on 04/22/2005 10:28:42 PM PDT by GretchenM (Darwin's *theory* of evolution fanned Hitler's all-too-real eugenics.)
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To: neverdem
I thought it was vancomycin resistant staphylococcus aureus that was the really scary bug. Is that incorrect, or are we just not there yet?
20 posted on 04/22/2005 10:48:53 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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