DFU SONG: The Twelfth of Never (Jane Fonda, you will never be forgiven)

DFU SONGS | 4-2005 | Lyrics, Doug from Upland

[doug from upland]

MIDI - THE TWELFTH OF NEVER

You're asking for forgiveness for things you've done
But there's no way that you will be fooling anyone
Your pictures with the commies are for all time
There will be no forgiveness...Jane Fonda, you are slime

Rot in hell...Fonda, rot in hell
We don't believe phony words you try to sell

We know that as an actress you cry on cue
To get us to believe you, there's nothing you can do
Your pictures with the commies are for all time
There will be no forgiveness...Jane Fonda, you are slime
There can be no forgiveness...Jane Fonda, you are slime

You want us to just move on...you ask too much
You gave support to Kerry...you're still out of touch
Your pictures with the commies are for all time
There will be no forgiveness...Jane Fonda, you are slime

Rot in hell...Fonda, rot in hell
We don't believe phony words you try to sell

Because of you brave men died in Vietnam
Because of you our soldiers had been spit upon
Your pictures with the commies are for all time
There will be no forgiveness...Jane Fonda, you are slime
There will be no forgiveness...Jane Fonda, you are slime

[nopardons]

bttt

[doug from upland]

Ping

[doug from upland]

DRUDGE REPORT REGARDING FONDA

[Dr.Zoidberg]

Hanoi Jane, if you died tomorrow, what would be your legacy?

Betrayal of Americas sons.

Think about that you heartless whore, when you are alone in the night and the ghosts of the betrayed come demanding a reckoning. Think about the evil you have done and despair.

You are worthy of contempt and ridicule, nothing more, until the end of time.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

Uphold the US Constituion!

Too bad the "Move On" FReepers just don't understand
the real threat that the likes of Hanoi Kerry pose to our country.

I just don't understand their reasoning in saying
"drop it", "your wasting your time", "give it up" etc.

Some even howl when I remind them the job is NOT done.

Well I have news for them.

I've been posting threads
on the Viet Nam anti war "crowd"
almost from day one on FR.

Wicked Witch of the West: Hanoi Jane Exposed in New Book
Hanoijane.net ^ | HENRY MARK HOLZER and ERIKA HOLZER,PhilDragoo

Posted on 10/30/2001 10:05:08 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/560260/posts

So why do they think I'll stop now?

Don't be like the Silent Majority in the 60's and 70's
Demand Kerry be ousted from the US Senate!

There is no need to impeach Hanoi Kerry from the US Senate

He is there illegally!

WAKEUP AMERICA!

For those who "forgot" what Hanoi Kerry
did in the past read on and learn the truth.

Hanoi Kerry was still a USNR officer while he:
gave false hearsay testimony to Congress
negotiated with the enemy
helped the US lose a war
abetted in the deaths of millions
created a hostile environment for all servicemen

Why is Kerry still in the US Senate?
This is in violation of
U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxiv.html

And the FBI has proof of his treason.

Hanoi Kerry Timeline of a traitor
includes FBI files

May 1970
Kerry and Julia traveled to Paris, France and met with Madame Nguyen Thi Binh, the Foreign Minister of the Provisional Revolutionary Government of Vietnam (PRG), the political wing of the Vietcong, and other Viet Cong and Communist Vietnamese representatives to the Paris peace talks, a trip he now calls a "fact-finding" mission.

(U.S. code 18 U.S.C. 953, declares it illegal for a U.S. citizen to go abroad and negotiate with a foreign power.)

http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html

a) A person charged with absence without leave or missing movement in time of war,
or with any offense punishable by death,
may be tried at any time without limitation.

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj.htm#*%20843.%20ART.%2043.%20STATUTE%20OF%20LIMITATIONS


Contact the GOP controlled US Senate!

Distribute these url's!

Links to Anti Kerry sites
212 LINKS
News reports,
Viper's Vietnam Veterans Page

http://members.aol.com/ga1449ga/links/links.html


EXPOSE HANOI KERRY!

MUST SEE WEBSITE!!!!

http://www.kerrystreason.com/index.html

Full details on these url's!

http://tonkin.spymac.net/hanoikerry1.html

There is a backup site
if the 1st url is unavailable.

http://stophanoikerry.150m.com

[Mrs.Nooseman]

Thanks for the ping!

[Soaring Feather]

bump

[Smartass]

 

[USMC Veteran]

Jane Fonda. American Traitor B!tch. Best bumper sticker a vet could own.

[BIGLOOK]

I've a Christian heart; I heard Jane found her Christian beginnings; I'd have forgiven her if she'd apologize and

GO AWAY!

Keelhauling ain't just for men anymore!

[windchime]

Bump!

[real saxophonist]

I heard her on Drudge talking about how she'll go to her grave regretting that, blah, blah...

I think she might as well make her gravestone a urinal...

[E.G.C.]

BTTT!!!!!!!

[Beth528]

[sandydipper]

I AIN"T FONDA JANE!

[Bethbg79]

You have FReepmail!

[GodBlessUSA]

Thanks so much! I had no idea! :)

[Bethbg79]

(((HUGS)))

[doug from upland]

Hey, this isn't junior high school. You can't be passing secret notes on this thread. Bring it up to the teacher, and we are going to read it.

[Bethbg79]

LOL! Sorry about that Doug!

We had a graphic up that shouldnt have been. A proven fraud.

[doug from upland]

Okay. You don't have to stay after school and have to call mom because you missed the bus.

[Bethbg79]

Thank you Sir!

[doug from upland]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/31/60minutes/main684295.shtml

Jane Fonda: Wish I Hadn't
(Page 1 of 2)

April 3, 2005

Jane Fonda: 'A Betrayal'

Actress Jane Fonda speaks to Lesley Stahl in her first interview about her upcoming autobiography. (Photo: 60 Minutes/CBS)

"The image of Jane Fonda, Barbarella, Henry Fonda's daughter...sitting on an enemy aircraft gun was a betrayal...It was the largest lapse of judgment that I can even imagine."
Jane Fonda

Fonda has captured headlines in every decade for the past 40 years. (Photo: AP)

She says she regrets the "betrayal" her photo on a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun symbolized. (Photo: CBS)

"My Life So Far" by Jane Fonda

(CBS) In her lifetime, Jane Fonda has made a significant mark on American culture. With her movies, her workout videos, her political activism, and her famous marriages, Fonda has captured headlines in every decade for the past 40 years.

She has been the envy of women seeking the perfect form, and the bitter enemy of Vietnam veterans who resent her every move -- ever since she paraded around North Vietnam in protest of the war.

Now, she has written a book about all of it, and she has done an interview with Correspondent Lesley Stahl that, like the book, is sometimes painfully candid and honest. You'll hear her apologize for some of what she did in Vietnam, and talk about her sometimes strange, wild and complicated marriages.

---

Today, the workout queen is 67, the grandmother of two, and still glamorous and beautiful. She lives in Atlanta, and spends much of her time on a program in the schools that she began, with her own money, to persuade teenage girls not to get pregnant – and to teach girls who are pregnant how to be better mothers.

"I wish that I’d been able to have a class like this when I had my first kid, 'cause I was not a good mother," says Fonda. "And then, you end up paying for it later."

She says she’s drawn to this work because of the mistakes she’s made in her own life, and because of the mistakes her parents made raising her.

"If you don’t have a parent or an adult, a teacher or a mentor … really see you, really love you, 'Yes, there are things you do I don’t like, but you’re fantastic, you’re good enough. I love you.' If that never happens to a child, the child assumes it’s her fault and tries to compensate for it," says Fonda.

"And plus, all the other things that happened in my life made me infected with the disease to please. Not with women – I’m fine with women, but with men. 'Whatever you want, honey, I’ll become.' … That was me."

It’s a story spun out in her book that she wrote herself, called "My Life So Far." She tells all about her career as an actor, including her first big hit, "Barefoot in the Park" with Robert Redford.

She was big box-office, and made a total of 50 movies. But she says she had trouble standing up for herself in her personal life: "You know, I’m a very brave person. I can go to North Vietnam, I can challenge my government, but I can't challenge the man I'm with if it means I'm going to end up alone."

She readily admits that she allowed each of her three husbands to reinvent her, starting with Roger Vadim, the French film director who turned her into Barbarella, a sexy sci-fi secret agent, with an emphasis on sexy.

"When you look at 'Barbarella' now, are you embarrassed by how you looked in that movie?" asks Stahl.

"No, no, for a long time, I couldn't look at it," says Fonda. "I thought that it was politically incorrect, you know."

"She was a sex symbol, she was a pin-up symbol," says Stahl. "You can't get away from it."

"Yeah, but I can look at it now and laugh at it, and find it very charming," says Fonda.

She’s come to see Vadim’s "Barbarella" with a sense of humor, but her off-screen, private life with him is another matter.

"One night, Vadim brought another woman into my bed with me and I went along with it," says Fonda. "It really hurt me. It hurt me. It reinforced me feeling I wasn’t good enough. One of the reasons that I went along with it was because I felt that if I said no, that he would leave, and I couldn’t imagine myself without him."

Fonda says that sometimes she solicited the women herself: "If that's what he wanted, I'd give it to him in spades. I wasn't going to write about it. I got enough enemies, right? There’s enough people who don’t like me. I’m not going to go into this."

When asked why she would write about such private matters, Fonda responds: "Because I knew that if I didn't really fess up about how far I went in the betrayal of my heart, that it would not make the journey that I've been on, to where I am now, as important and as poignant."

Jane Fonda: Wish I Hadn't
(Page 2 of 2)

April 3, 2005

Jane Fonda: 'A Betrayal'

Actress Jane Fonda speaks to Lesley Stahl in her first interview about her upcoming autobiography. (Photo: 60 Minutes/CBS)

Fonda has captured headlines in every decade for the past 40 years. (Photo: AP)

She says she regrets the "betrayal" her photo on a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun symbolized. (Photo: CBS)

"My Life So Far" by Jane Fonda

(CBS)
Her marriage with Vadim ended, and she threw herself into political activism.

In her book, she says that she winces when she sees video of herself back then. She wrote: "Watching myself, I want to shout, 'Will someone please tell her to shut up!'"

"Yes. I just couldn't stop," says Fonda, laughing. "I just kept going. I was probably shrill."

That's when she met Tom Hayden, a star of the anti-Vietnam war movement, and married him. And when she did, she lurched into his very different lifestyle. She moved into a small house, which her father called "the shack," and she didn't have a washing machine.

"Yeah, it was a period of time when you showed your political purity by living, you know, in a way that made my teeth grate, to tell you the truth. It was hard. It was hard," says Fonda. "I mean, if I put a picture up on the wall of my bedroom, the nail would come through the other side."

"You were making good money and you're living like that," says Stahl.

"Well, we were giving the money away. We had to support an anti-war movement," says Fonda. "Why spend it on yourself when people are dying, and there’s a war going on? It was a crisis."

Some of the money went to their travels across the country, protesting the war and meeting with Vietnam veterans, and to pay for Fonda’s 1972 trip to Hanoi, the enemy capital. She earned the epithet “Hanoi Jane” and the eternal hatred of many veterans when she visited an anti-aircraft gun site used to shoot down American pilots.

It's something that Fonda now says she regrets. "I will go to my grave regretting that. The image of Jane Fonda, Barbarella, Henry Fonda's daughter, just a woman sitting on a enemy aircraft gun, was a betrayal," says Fonda.

"It was like I was thumbing my nose at the military. And at the country that gave me privilege. It was the largest lapse of judgment that I can even imagine. I don't thumb my nose at this country. I care deeply about American soldiers."

But many of those soldiers say if there’s one thing they will never forgive her for, it’s that she met with a group of seven POWs when she was in North Vietnam, giving the appearance of a staged event at their expense.

"Was that a lapse of judgment?" asks Stahl.

"No. There are hundreds of American delegations that had met with POWs. It was not uncommon at all," says Fonda.

"Does that make it right?" asks Stahl.

"It doesn't make it wrong," says Fonda.

"But the Vietnamese used it as propaganda, to say, 'Look how humane we are,'” says Stahl.

"Well, both sides were using propaganda, were using the POWs for propaganda," says Fonda. "I don't think there was anything wrong with it. It's not something that I will apologize for."

Nor does she apologize for making broadcasts on Radio Hanoi. "Our government was lying to us, and men were dying because of it," she says. "And I felt that I had to do anything that I could to expose the lies, and help end the war. That was my goal."

She asked the Vietnamese if she could make the broadcasts, tapes which 60 Minutes found at the National Archives in Washington.

Fonda went on Radio Hanoi at least 10 times, speaking directly to U.S. pilots, after she had toured the bombed-out countryside and visited hospitals full of injured civilians.

Was she trying to get soldiers to stop the bombing, and disobey their orders? "No. I know that you cannot ask a soldier to disobey orders," says Fonda. "You're not the one that pays the consequences."

She once said: "I beg you to consider what you are doing. The hospitals are filled with babies, and women and old people. Can you justify what you are doing?"

"Doesn't that sound like you're asking them to stop what they're doing?" asks Stahl.

"I'm asking them to consider it. I'm asking them to think about it," says Fonda.

"But the soldiers who call you 'Hanoi Jane' and are still furious at you, say it’s one thing to protest here in the country, and another thing to go over there, where our soldiers were, you know, in harm’s way, and go into the enemy camp," says Stahl. "I mean, it wasn’t like you were saying, 'Richard Nixon, stop this.' You were saying [it] to the pilots."

"Listen, we'd been saying to Richard Nixon, 'Stop this' for eight years. Millions of people had protested. You know, students had been shot at Kent State and still it went on," says Fonda. "It needed what looks now to be unbelievably controversial things. That’s what I felt was needed."

"When you hear of this intense fury at you … 30 year later, does it hurt you?" asks Stahl.

"It makes me sad. It makes me sad, because I think that it's ill-placed anger," says Fonda. "I understand that I'm a lightning rod, and I know why the anger is there."

"What if a young, famous actress went to Iraq, hooked up with the insurgents today, and went on their radio and spoke to our soldiers over there?" asks Stahl.

"I wouldn’t like it. I don’t think it’s the same situation at all," says Fonda. "When I went there, we had been involved in the war. We had been fighting in Vietnam for eight years. The majority of Americans opposed the war, the majority of Congress opposed the war. It was a desperate time."

[Bethbg79]

She's not even worth the disgust I feel for her. Sigh.

[doug from upland]

Here goes MSNBC again ---

Fonda: ‘Hanoi Jane’
visit was a mistake

It wasn't the visit to Vietnam. She still thinks it was okay. The mistake was being photographed at the anti-aircraft gun. She did much, much more than that to damage this nation and its soldiers.

[johnb838]

"I wish I had one of 'em in my sights right now!"

talking about how she'll go to her grave

That's the same thing she said on sixty minutes. I'm reminded of the clip Hannity likes to play of Hillary reading her book, "Gasping for breath, I sat down..."

[doug from upland]

But many of those soldiers say if there’s one thing they will never forgive her for, it’s that she met with a group of seven POWs when she was in North Vietnam, giving the appearance of a staged event at their expense.

"Was that a lapse of judgment?" asks Stahl.

"No. There are hundreds of American delegations that had met with POWs. It was not uncommon at all," says Fonda.

"Does that make it right?" asks Stahl.

"It doesn't make it wrong," says Fonda.

"But the Vietnamese used it as propaganda, to say, 'Look how humane we are,'” says Stahl.

"Well, both sides were using propaganda, were using the POWs for propaganda," says Fonda. "I don't think there was anything wrong with it. It's not something that I will apologize for."

[johnb838]

Fonda has captured headlines in every decade for the past 40 years. (Photo: AP)

Yeah, well if they want to cout time like that, she hasn't been in a movie since three decades ago.

[GodBlessUSA]

LOL! Hello Doug
I posted an error. I didn't know that picture was a fraud. Sorry :). Great Post!

[doug from upland]

Story about the book -- AID AND COMFORT

[doug from upland]

MICHELLE MALKIN -- HANOI JANE RIDES AGAIN

[doug from upland]

SHE'S STILL HANOI JANE