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'Honour killing' shocks Germany
BBC News Online ^ | March 14 2005 | Ray Furlong

Posted on 03/14/2005 10:25:52 AM PST by knighthawk

An impromptu shrine has been created at the place where Hatun Surucu was gunned down.

There are flowers, candles, messages of support and photographs of the 23-year-old Turkish woman, who died of multiple bullet wounds to the head and chest.

The police have arrested her three brothers, in the belief that Mrs Surucu was the latest victim in a series of so-called "honour killings" that have taken place in Berlin in recent months.

"She had no other enemies. This murder bears all the hallmarks of an honour killing," says police psychologist Karl Mollenhauer.

"In Islamic culture, the woman is the bearer of the family decency. She must maintain the honour of the family. Men must defend that honour." If the police are right, Mrs Surucu was the sixth victim of honour killings among Berlin's 200,000-strong Turkish community in as many months.

She had been married to her cousin eight years before in an arranged marriage, but had then run away - taking her five-year-old son with her.

This tragedy has shaken us awake. We've been very surprised by the response

Eren Unsal, Association of Secular Turks

"Women must make their own decisions," read one of the banners at her shrine.

Mrs Surucu's killing has led to an unusually strong public reaction - with Turkish women taking to the streets to protest.

"This tragedy has shaken us awake. We've been very surprised by the response," says Eren Unsal from the Association of Secular Turks.

"This is the first time that political decision-makers, NGOs, and so on have been ready to sit down at the same table together and think about what must be done. This has never happened before."

'Blind eye'

But not everyone shares the outrage. On a school playground, just yards from where the killing occurred, children were heard praising it. The victim, they said, had lived like a German.

And it was not the only response of its kind.

"I heard a young Turkish lady said on a Turkish radio station 'she deserved it because she took off her headscarf'. This is incredible," says Ozcan Mutlu, one of the few Turks sitting on the Berlin city council.

He says the problem has been exacerbated by the German authorities turning a blind eye to it.

"For instance, when a Turkish man beat his wife, he didn't get the same punishment as when a German did it. They tried to explain it with the culture, the traditions, and with the religion.

"That's stupid, you cannot do that. There is no cultural or religious excuse for beating women, and there can be no less punishment for honour killings. But in Germany it was the fact in the past years."

'False ideas'

Muslim leaders in Berlin are at pains to stress that there is no basis for honour killings in the Koran. But they have also been criticised for not making a clear condemnation of them.

"We have preached twice in the last year on human rights, saying that it is forbidden to kill, and so on," says Huseyin Midik, a representative of Germany's largest association of Mosques.

"It's natural that when something happens, people think we should respond. But it's not always the right thing to hold special events at these times, and then for it all to stop again.

"Our job is to explain Islam. That's what has a permanent effect - clearing up certain false ideas about Islam in people's minds."

But the practise continues among Germany's Turkish and Arab minorities. The police list 45 cases in the last eight years. One woman was drowned in her bath, another stabbed to death by her husband in front of their three-year-old daughter.

Every year dozens of women and girls, some as young as 13, run away to avoid arranged marriages - some in fear for their lives.

"Some were raped - by an uncle, by a cousin, even by the father - and when they should get married they are worried that someone will find out they're not a virgin anymore. They are afraid that they will be murdered," says a Berlin social worker who runs a centre for runaways.

She asked to remain anonymous, and the centre is located at a secret address.

Honour killings are, she says, just the most extreme form of repression faced by the people who come to her.

"All these girls who come to us are locked in, in the house, by their families. They only go to school because they have to by law - otherwise they wouldn't be allowed. They have to stay at home and cook, and care for the sisters and brothers. The parents don't accept that the girl decides anything by herself."


TOPICS: Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: germany; honorkilling; honourkilling
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1 posted on 03/14/2005 10:25:53 AM PST by knighthawk
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To: MizSterious; rebdov; Nix 2; green lantern; BeOSUser; Brad's Gramma; dreadme; Turk2; keri; ...

Ping


2 posted on 03/14/2005 10:26:49 AM PST by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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To: knighthawk

Is this another honour killing or the same story posted days ago? Religion of Peace.


3 posted on 03/14/2005 10:28:45 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Reading is fundamental. Comprehension is optional.)
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To: knighthawk
The only people "shocked" are liberals who have been trying to ignore this stuff.

It's been the elephant in the room for a very long time.

4 posted on 03/14/2005 10:30:24 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

They hate the West. Why are they here ?


5 posted on 03/14/2005 10:30:32 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Conspiracy Guy
"Religion of Peace

and "culture" too.

6 posted on 03/14/2005 10:31:11 AM PST by Slump Tester (John Kerry - When even your best still isn't good enough)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

"They hate the West. Why are they here ?"

To attept to "de-Westernize" the West.


7 posted on 03/14/2005 10:32:34 AM PST by L98Fiero
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

They had a woman on 60 minutes last night who was so eloquent and pro-American. She told the truth about Islam and the reporter seemd almost upset at her.

Islam is a cult of death, and until I see evidence to the contrary, my opinion will not change.


8 posted on 03/14/2005 10:33:28 AM PST by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton Jr.)
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To: knighthawk
Muslim leaders in Berlin are at pains to stress that there is no basis for honour killings in the Koran. But they have also been criticised for not making a clear condemnation of them.

Yeah right, Mullahs and Imams have been imprisoned for writing books on how to beat/punish/kill your wife under Sharia law.

9 posted on 03/14/2005 10:33:30 AM PST by Jaded (My sheeple, my sheeple....)
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To: knighthawk

The more I read about Islam, the more I wonder how anyone in their right mind would want to be a part of it. But maybe it is not a religion of the right minded.......


10 posted on 03/14/2005 10:33:53 AM PST by b4its2late (Despite the high cost of living, have you noticed how it remains so popular?)
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To: b4its2late

They're at your feet or at your throat.


11 posted on 03/14/2005 10:35:36 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: knighthawk
Islam. It's not a religion. It's an induced mental disorder!
12 posted on 03/14/2005 10:38:07 AM PST by Desron13
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
They get tired of eating camel dung and seek out places of opportunity for the men. They bring their hatred with them as the men enjoy western freedoms. Killing their own women is no more foreign to them than killing infidels.
13 posted on 03/14/2005 10:38:47 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Reading is fundamental. Comprehension is optional.)
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To: Slump Tester

Yes it is a culture rich in hatred and savagery.


14 posted on 03/14/2005 10:39:48 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Reading is fundamental. Comprehension is optional.)
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To: kjenerette

...for reading and classroom discussion.


15 posted on 03/14/2005 10:42:49 AM PST by Van Jenerette (Our Republic - If We Can Keep it!)
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To: knighthawk

The only way this crap will ever stop is if we put Allah on the ash heap of history beside Baal, Molech, Ishtar,and Zeus.


16 posted on 03/14/2005 10:43:39 AM PST by TwoWolves (The only kind of control the liberals don't want is self control.)
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To: knighthawk
"In Islamic culture, the woman is the bearer of the family decency. She must maintain the honour of the family. Men must defend that honour."

They always seem to defend it by picking on a woman. They don't seem so keen to go out and defend their honor against another man. Guess they don't understand the part about defending HER honor. (She offered her honor, he honored her offer, and all through the night he was honor and offer.)

17 posted on 03/14/2005 10:44:52 AM PST by johnb838 ("You Have Ruled, Now Let Us See You Enforce" Need some wood?)
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To: Conspiracy Guy
Just last night I was sitting having dinner with a 28 yr old German girl, she was telling me about how it is in Germany with the Turks, a lot assimilate, but others make life hell for everyone. and the average Germen is sick of it, but can do nothing.

She doesn't want to ever go back and then I would like to KEEP her myself, me bad.
18 posted on 03/14/2005 10:45:44 AM PST by OldSgt. (USMC, Nam Vet, HMM-165)
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To: johnb838

YOU BAD< JUST PLAIN BAD. LOL that was (good)


19 posted on 03/14/2005 10:47:10 AM PST by OldSgt. (USMC, Nam Vet, HMM-165)
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To: knighthawk
We have preached twice in the last year on human rights, saying that it is forbidden to kill, and so on

In other words, "Oh, that human rights thing. Yeah, we mention it every now and then kinda, you know, don't kill, blah blah blah..."

I try very hard to be objective and tolerant, and to not pass judgment on others' religious beliefs. But dang, every single story I have read, with the exception of the Muslim group who wrote the letter of apology, involves some sort of violence. My tolerance for this religion is eroding quickly, especially because their leaders never speak out against this crap. That can only mean that it is acceptable.
20 posted on 03/14/2005 10:48:00 AM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green is made of liberals...)
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