[OXENinFLA]

Well, I'll be dipped.

[stylin19a]

"While roughly 160 countries belong to the consular convention," she said, "less than 30 percent of those countries belong to the optional protocol

Looks like the US is only withdrawing from the optional protocol......sigh........ I guess it's a start.

[Publius6961]

"It's a sore-loser kind of move," Professor Spiro said. "If we can't win, we're not going to play."

What part of

"... future International Court of Justice judgments that might similarly interfere in ways we did not anticipate when we joined the optional protocol."

does the good professor Spiro not understand?
Further proof that some people can be and are educated beyond their intelligence...

[Happy2BMe]

WORLD COURT TELLING TEXAS THEIR LAW IS THE LAW OF THE LAND - ping.

(Who's in charge of law in America - America or the World Court?)

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Prompted by an international tribunal's decision last year ordering new hearings for 51 Mexicans on death rows in the United States, the State Department said yesterday that the United States had withdrawn from the protocol that gave the tribunal jurisdiction to hear such disputes.

The withdrawal followed a Feb. 28 memorandum from President Bush to Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales directing state courts to abide by the decision of the tribunal, the International Court of Justice in The Hague.

The decision required American courts to grant "review and reconsideration" to claims that the inmates' cases had been hurt by the failure of local authorities to allow them to contact consular officials.

"The State of Texas believes no international court supersedes the laws of Texas or the laws of the United States," Mr. Strickland said. "We respectfully believe the executive determination exceeds the constitutional bounds for federal authority."

[MikefromOhio]

its about frikin time.....

[PureTrouble]

I have to ask myself why was this agreement in place.

I suspect that the US wanted to be able for a US citizen if arrested in another country would have access to the US consulate and in quid-pro-quo that meant that those countries foreigners would also have access to their consulate so that they could get advice and help from the consulate on legal issues or who to use in a strange country.

I do not agree about people in the US illegally getting a second shot in court which they will probably get convicted again in court to roll the dice and see if they can be acquitted.

But, the agreement was in place and I do think that Americans abroad might find it harder to contact a consulate if they get into trouble in the near future.

Hopefully agreements are in place to still protect the American public and this was just a redundant agreement that gave an open door into American people into an international court and probably lawsuits which America wisely decided to remove itself from the policy. I guess we will see the ramifications of this in the future where it was a bad idea in the MSM if their were no redundant agreements where American 'A' is not allowed to contact a consulate for advice and help and the MSM gets to blame Bush for the backing out of the policy.

Guess we will have to wait and see.

[ghitma]

Peter J. Spiro, a law professor at the University of Georgia, said the withdrawal was unbecoming.
Who is this horses ass and why is he even being quoted.
Let me guess... NY Times.... must need liberal anti Bush
and anti American sound bite. Who cares what some loser from U of Georgia thinks.

[Redbob]

"Peter J. Spiro, a law professor at the University of Georgia, said the withdrawal was unbecoming.

"It's a sore-loser kind of move," Professor Spiro said. "If we can't win, we're not going to play."

The NYT really had to search for someone with this viewpoint, so much so they'd interview an unknown hack at a second-rate school.

[TChris]

Finally! The duly elected or appointed representatives of this country must recognize and defend it's sovereignty without regard to international pressures. There's a reason the USA is the only superpower, and it ain't because we went around the world asking how we should conduct ourselves.

[montyspython]

ping

[CFW]

Peter J. Spiro, a law professor at the University of Georgia, said the withdrawal was unbecoming.

"It's a sore-loser kind of move," Professor Spiro said. "If we can't win, we're not going to play."

He is the one that is a sore-loser. I think I will walk over to his office and tell him so. What a moroon!

[Dr. Frank fan]

Peter J. Spiro, a law professor at the University of Georgia, said the withdrawal was unbecoming. "It's a sore-loser kind of move," Professor Spiro said. "If we can't win, we're not going to play."

Uh.... "unbecoming"?

Why is it that people who apparently think they are very smart so often say things that sound so stupid?

Should we remain in a treaty for appearances' sake? Because to withdraw would be "unbecoming"? Is this the expert legal opinion of law professor Spiro? That it's wise to remain in treaties for reasons of tact?

Moronic.

[teletech]

The President is making it crystal clear that he will tolerate NO interference in the US judicial system.

[aruanan]

"International adjudication is an important tool in a post-cold-war, post-9/11 world," Dean Koh said.

Actual quote: ""International adjudication is an important tool [for screwing over the United States] in a post-cold-war, post-9/11 world," Dean Koh said.

[PeterFinn]

Now can we dump the UN, too?

[madison10]

Prompted by an international tribunal's decision last year ordering new hearings for 51 Mexicans on death rows in the United States, the State Department said yesterday that the United States had withdrawn from the protocol that gave the tribunal jurisdiction to hear such disputes.

YES!!! Why were we even IN this tribunal?

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

"It's a sore-loser kind of move," Professor Spiro said. "If we can't win, we're not going to play."

The "game" is over. We won.

[RightWhale]

This kind of unilateralism annoys the bologna out of the Euros. However, the Euros have been doing their own international unilateralism for decades, so they can't play the moral superiority card.

[george wythe]

"We are protecting against future International Court of Justice judgments that might similarly interfere in ways we did not anticipate when we joined the optional protocol."

Never trust a UN outfit. Period.

Where is Jesse Helms when we need him? He almost singlehandedly exposed the UN for what it really is. I miss him dearly.

[Next_Time_NJ]

World Judicial Body is that the same as the World Courts? If so i thought we already withdrew from that, or is this a seperate thing?