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U.S. Says It Has Withdrawn From World Judicial Body
NY Times ^ | March 10, 2005 | ADAM LIPTAK

Posted on 03/09/2005 8:35:05 PM PST by neverdem

Prompted by an international tribunal's decision last year ordering new hearings for 51 Mexicans on death rows in the United States, the State Department said yesterday that the United States had withdrawn from the protocol that gave the tribunal jurisdiction to hear such disputes.

The withdrawal followed a Feb. 28 memorandum from President Bush to Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales directing state courts to abide by the decision of the tribunal, the International Court of Justice in The Hague. The decision required American courts to grant "review and reconsideration" to claims that the inmates' cases had been hurt by the failure of local authorities to allow them to contact consular officials.

The memorandum, issued in connection with a case the United States Supreme Court is scheduled to hear this month, puzzled state prosecutors, who said it seemed inconsistent with the administration's general hostility to international institutions and its support for the death penalty.

The withdrawal announced yesterday helps explains the administration's position.

Darla Jordan, a State Department spokeswoman, said the administration was troubled by foreign interference in the domestic capital justice system but intended to fulfill its obligations under international law.

But Ms. Jordan said, "We are protecting against future International Court of Justice judgments that might similarly interfere in ways we did not anticipate when we joined the optional protocol."

Peter J. Spiro, a law professor at the University of Georgia, said the withdrawal was unbecoming.

"It's a sore-loser kind of move," Professor Spiro said. "If we can't win, we're not going to play."

Ms. Jordan emphasized that the United States was not withdrawing from the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations itself, which gives people arrested abroad the right to contact their home countries' consulates. But the United States is withdrawing, she said, from an optional protocol that gives the International Court of Justice in The Hague, the principal judicial organ of the United Nations, jurisdiction to hear disputes under the convention.

"While roughly 160 countries belong to the consular convention," she said, "less than 30 percent of those countries belong to the optional protocol. By withdrawing from the protocol, the United States has joined the 70 percent of the countries that do not belong. For example, Brazil, Canada, Jordan, Russia and Spain do not belong."

Among the countries that have signed the protocol are Australia, Britain, Germany and Japan.

Ms. Jordan said Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice informed Kofi Annan, the secretary general of the United Nations, of the move on Monday.

Harold Hongju Koh, the dean of the Yale Law School and a former State Department official in the Clinton administration, said the Bush administration's strategy was counterproductive.

"International adjudication is an important tool in a post-cold-war, post-9/11 world," Dean Koh said.

For 40 years, from 1946 to 1986, the United States accepted the general jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice in all kinds of cases against other nations that had also agreed to the court's jurisdiction. After an unfavorable ruling from the court in 1986 over the mining of Nicaragua's harbors, the United States withdrew from the court's general jurisdiction.

But it continued to accept its jurisdiction under about 70 specific treaties, including the protocol withdrawn from on Monday, said Lori F. Damrosch, a law professor at Columbia. The other treaties cover subjects like navigation, terrorism, narcotics and copyrights, and they are unaffected.

The United States Supreme Court is scheduled to hear the case of José Ernesto Medellín, a Mexican on death row in Texas, on March 28. Mr. Medellín asks the court to enforce last year's judgment of the international tribunal. Texas opposes the request.

When the federal government filed its supporting brief for Texas in the case at the end of last month, it appended the memorandum from the president to the attorney general.

Before the administration's strategy came into focus, international law professors greeted the memorandum with amazement.

"This is a president who has been openly hostile to international law and international institutions knuckling under, and knuckling under where there are significant federalism concerns," Professor Spiro said.

As it turned out, Dean Koh said, the government had "an integrated strategy."

"Element 1," he continued, "was to take the bat out of the Supreme Court's hand."

Lawyers for Mr. Medellín reacted cautiously. In a motion filed in the Supreme Court yesterday, Donald F. Donovan, a lawyer with the New York law firm Debevoise & Plimpton, asked the court to put off hearing argument until Texas state courts could consider Mr. Medellín's claim.

For their part, Texas prosecutors have not conceded that the president has the power to force courts there to reopen the Medellín case.

In a statement, Jerry Strickland, a spokesman for Attorney General Greg Abbott of Texas, questioned the president's authority.

"The State of Texas believes no international court supersedes the laws of Texas or the laws of the United States," Mr. Strickland said. "We respectfully believe the executive determination exceeds the constitutional bounds for federal authority."

Sandra Babcock, a Minnesota lawyer who represents the government of Mexico, said she had no doubt that the president was authorized to instruct state courts to reopen Mr. Medellín's case and 50 others.

"The law is on our side," Ms. Babcock said. "The president is on our side. I keep having to slap myself."


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To: neverdem

Who came up with such a hair brain scheme? International court having jurisdiction over us.


81 posted on 03/09/2005 10:49:33 PM PST by BJungNan (Junk mail is killing email. Don't buy from spam emails!!!)
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To: neverdem

Some of the people here are ever the eternal optimists, but after years of this I am sick and tired of watching someone say, "Thank heaven for this." What do you folks mean thank heavens for this?

Bush was supposed to have rescinded our signature to join the International Court of Justice. None the less our Supreme Court justices seem predilected to adopt Europe's laws as if our own. And now the hens are coming home to roost. Bah humbug!!!

Here we have a directive from a periferal entity that we signed onto. And what, now we are going to withdraw from that entity. How could we? We were told we were not a member.

There is some question in my mind if this is the International Criminal Court that we're talking about here, only by another name. If it is not, then the same principles should apply. Why are we toying around with an international institution that seeks to supercede our own self-determination.

Folks, if we didn't want self-determination, what the hell did our founding fathers fight to provide for us, and what do ou members of the military fight to preserve for us, if not for that one principle?

My level of contempt for our government officials grows daily.

Whether it's the Congress, the Executive Branch, or now even the Supreme Court, the levels of skullduggery and the continuing shell game, are wearing this citizen's patience very thin.


82 posted on 03/09/2005 10:50:30 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: devolve

Thanks for the ping. Can't wait until three years from now when the water starts boiling again, for the next announcement that we are going to withdraw from the International Court of Justice.


83 posted on 03/09/2005 10:53:10 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: neverdem
"The State of Texas believes no international court supersedes the laws of Texas or the laws of the United States

This is absolutely correct.
84 posted on 03/09/2005 10:54:26 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: longtermmemmory

Apparently, according to my social studies methods professor, Churchill has been recruiting high school students to try to take over the government. He is going even nuttier than before.

Hopefully, he will land in a jail cell.


85 posted on 03/09/2005 10:58:18 PM PST by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: longtermmemmory

My history professor is liberal, by the way, but he flat has called Churchill a traitor who deserves to see a jail cell.


86 posted on 03/09/2005 10:58:49 PM PST by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: Berosus; blam; Do not dub me shapka broham; Ernest_at_the_Beach; FairOpinion; ValerieUSA; TexKat; ..
Ping!
87 posted on 03/09/2005 11:09:54 PM PST by SunkenCiv (last updated my FreeRepublic profile on Sunday, February 20, 2005.)
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To: rwfromkansas

Good for him.


88 posted on 03/09/2005 11:12:30 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: Grampa Dave

ping to this post


89 posted on 03/09/2005 11:21:16 PM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: neverdem

Excellent precedent, President Bush! We command ourselves better than the world can hope to handle itself.

A great move.


90 posted on 03/09/2005 11:27:05 PM PST by ConservativeMind
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace

Thanks for the info. The prof clerked for Souter. Probably his boyfriend too.


91 posted on 03/10/2005 12:07:10 AM PST by peyton randolph (Warning! It is illegal to fatwah a camel in all 50 states)
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To: TitansAFC; neverdem

<< Hallelujah!

Hallelujah!

Hallelujah, Hallelujah, Ha-le-eh-luh-jah! >>

Amen!


92 posted on 03/10/2005 12:14:07 AM PST by Brian Allen (I fly and can therefore be envious of no man -- Per Ardua ad Astra!)
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To: DoughtyOne

Take a deep breath D1.

The Second American Revolution will solve ALL of this bullsqueeze - and it is bound to happen soon.


93 posted on 03/10/2005 12:31:10 AM PST by clee1 (It takes 17 muscles to frown, 5 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm a very lazy person.)
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bump for later reading


94 posted on 03/10/2005 1:59:10 AM PST by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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To: neverdem

Now we just need to withdraw from the WTO and gut Nafta.. maybe start exporting traitors.


95 posted on 03/10/2005 2:00:20 AM PST by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade. Hang the traitors high)
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To: clee1

I've been saying that for a while.. makes the free traitors really nervous.. lol.


96 posted on 03/10/2005 2:01:18 AM PST by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade. Hang the traitors high)
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To: neverdem

The withdrawal followed a Feb. 28 memorandum from President Bush to Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales directing state courts to abide by the decision of the tribunal, the International Court of Justice in The Hague.

>>>

?????????


97 posted on 03/10/2005 2:02:46 AM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: Havoc

It saddens me to the marrow, but I really see no other alternative. This country is deeply divided over core issues. Politicians care naught but for their own power, Judges have become tyrants.

Revolution is inevitable. I am so very afraid, not so much for myself, but for my family.


98 posted on 03/10/2005 2:41:32 AM PST by clee1 (It takes 17 muscles to frown, 5 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm a very lazy person.)
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To: clee1

Methinks you are a little too optimistic.


99 posted on 03/10/2005 2:58:01 AM PST by westmichman (Pray for global warming. Friend of Ronnie -(stolen from The Patriot))
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To: neverdem
"Peter J. Spiro, a law professor at the University of Georgia, said the withdrawal was unbecoming."



Peter J. Spiro: "Far from proving the triumph of sovereigntism, the war on terrorism is demonstrating that, along with the rest of the international community, the United States will have to bend to international norms -- sooner or later." ... July 28, 2004

Mr. Spiro Esq. is a globalist not an American.


Harold Hongju Koh: "International adjudication is an important tool in a post-cold-war, post-9/11 world"

" On the day after the attack, George Bush could have flown to New York to stand in solidarity with the world's ambassadors in front of the United Nations. " Oct 30th 2003

Harold Hongju Koh is another one worlder.




These are the minds that would have been running this country had the enemy Democrat Party won the election.

100 posted on 03/10/2005 3:26:21 AM PST by G.Mason ("I have never killed a man but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure" - Clarence Darrow)
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