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U.S. Says It Has Withdrawn From World Judicial Body
NY Times ^ | March 10, 2005 | ADAM LIPTAK

Posted on 03/09/2005 8:35:05 PM PST by neverdem

Prompted by an international tribunal's decision last year ordering new hearings for 51 Mexicans on death rows in the United States, the State Department said yesterday that the United States had withdrawn from the protocol that gave the tribunal jurisdiction to hear such disputes.

The withdrawal followed a Feb. 28 memorandum from President Bush to Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales directing state courts to abide by the decision of the tribunal, the International Court of Justice in The Hague. The decision required American courts to grant "review and reconsideration" to claims that the inmates' cases had been hurt by the failure of local authorities to allow them to contact consular officials.

The memorandum, issued in connection with a case the United States Supreme Court is scheduled to hear this month, puzzled state prosecutors, who said it seemed inconsistent with the administration's general hostility to international institutions and its support for the death penalty.

The withdrawal announced yesterday helps explains the administration's position.

Darla Jordan, a State Department spokeswoman, said the administration was troubled by foreign interference in the domestic capital justice system but intended to fulfill its obligations under international law.

But Ms. Jordan said, "We are protecting against future International Court of Justice judgments that might similarly interfere in ways we did not anticipate when we joined the optional protocol."

Peter J. Spiro, a law professor at the University of Georgia, said the withdrawal was unbecoming.

"It's a sore-loser kind of move," Professor Spiro said. "If we can't win, we're not going to play."

Ms. Jordan emphasized that the United States was not withdrawing from the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations itself, which gives people arrested abroad the right to contact their home countries' consulates. But the United States is withdrawing, she said, from an optional protocol that gives the International Court of Justice in The Hague, the principal judicial organ of the United Nations, jurisdiction to hear disputes under the convention.

"While roughly 160 countries belong to the consular convention," she said, "less than 30 percent of those countries belong to the optional protocol. By withdrawing from the protocol, the United States has joined the 70 percent of the countries that do not belong. For example, Brazil, Canada, Jordan, Russia and Spain do not belong."

Among the countries that have signed the protocol are Australia, Britain, Germany and Japan.

Ms. Jordan said Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice informed Kofi Annan, the secretary general of the United Nations, of the move on Monday.

Harold Hongju Koh, the dean of the Yale Law School and a former State Department official in the Clinton administration, said the Bush administration's strategy was counterproductive.

"International adjudication is an important tool in a post-cold-war, post-9/11 world," Dean Koh said.

For 40 years, from 1946 to 1986, the United States accepted the general jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice in all kinds of cases against other nations that had also agreed to the court's jurisdiction. After an unfavorable ruling from the court in 1986 over the mining of Nicaragua's harbors, the United States withdrew from the court's general jurisdiction.

But it continued to accept its jurisdiction under about 70 specific treaties, including the protocol withdrawn from on Monday, said Lori F. Damrosch, a law professor at Columbia. The other treaties cover subjects like navigation, terrorism, narcotics and copyrights, and they are unaffected.

The United States Supreme Court is scheduled to hear the case of José Ernesto Medellín, a Mexican on death row in Texas, on March 28. Mr. Medellín asks the court to enforce last year's judgment of the international tribunal. Texas opposes the request.

When the federal government filed its supporting brief for Texas in the case at the end of last month, it appended the memorandum from the president to the attorney general.

Before the administration's strategy came into focus, international law professors greeted the memorandum with amazement.

"This is a president who has been openly hostile to international law and international institutions knuckling under, and knuckling under where there are significant federalism concerns," Professor Spiro said.

As it turned out, Dean Koh said, the government had "an integrated strategy."

"Element 1," he continued, "was to take the bat out of the Supreme Court's hand."

Lawyers for Mr. Medellín reacted cautiously. In a motion filed in the Supreme Court yesterday, Donald F. Donovan, a lawyer with the New York law firm Debevoise & Plimpton, asked the court to put off hearing argument until Texas state courts could consider Mr. Medellín's claim.

For their part, Texas prosecutors have not conceded that the president has the power to force courts there to reopen the Medellín case.

In a statement, Jerry Strickland, a spokesman for Attorney General Greg Abbott of Texas, questioned the president's authority.

"The State of Texas believes no international court supersedes the laws of Texas or the laws of the United States," Mr. Strickland said. "We respectfully believe the executive determination exceeds the constitutional bounds for federal authority."

Sandra Babcock, a Minnesota lawyer who represents the government of Mexico, said she had no doubt that the president was authorized to instruct state courts to reopen Mr. Medellín's case and 50 others.

"The law is on our side," Ms. Babcock said. "The president is on our side. I keep having to slap myself."


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To: ApesForEvolution

"The withdrawal followed a Feb. 28 memorandum from President Bush to Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales directing state courts to abide by the decision of the tribunal, the International Court of Justice in The Hague."

I was wandering about this line too, at first. Then I took a closer look. First of all, the President can not tell States what to do, but he can tell his Attorney General what to do.

Second, he can not tell a different branch of the Government what to do. I think he knew exactly what he was doing and knew that no one other than AG Gonzales has to abide by the President's directive.


201 posted on 03/10/2005 7:27:32 PM PST by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: neverdem
Peter J. Spiro, a law professor at the University of Georgia, said the withdrawal was unbecoming.

I think other countries' meddling is unbecoming, so there!

202 posted on 03/10/2005 7:42:42 PM PST by NCjim
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To: justshutupandtakeit

"I see no damage in pointing out that the opinion was consistent with views currently held around the world. I don't particularly care but it doesn't hurt anything."

The job of the Supreme Court of the US is NOT to point out opinions from around the world. The job of the Supreme Court is only to determine the intent of the law of this land.

What law did Justice Kennedy interpret? Why did he interpret it that way?


203 posted on 03/10/2005 8:15:37 PM PST by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: neverdem

The UN should be next.


204 posted on 03/10/2005 8:44:58 PM PST by trubluolyguy ("You think that's tough, try losing a testicle in a knife fight with your mother")
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To: neverdem

Yeaaaah Baaaaby!


205 posted on 03/10/2005 8:48:39 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: devolve

You need to move to Texas! I'm doubly protected now because Texas won't acknowledge any but Texas and US law.


206 posted on 03/10/2005 8:52:32 PM PST by potlatch (Always remember you're unique. Just like everyone else.)
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To: FreeReign

UGA is infested with leftist professors like most other colleges in the US now.
They're hell bent on imposing affirmative action even though it was ruled unlawful by the GA Supreme Court.


207 posted on 03/11/2005 6:07:40 AM PST by Redgirl
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To: neverdem

It's about time!


208 posted on 03/11/2005 6:12:15 AM PST by meema
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To: neverdem

Good, about damn time.


209 posted on 03/11/2005 12:33:58 PM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: FreeReign

serving as a tenured professor and associate dean for faculty development. He specializes in international law, the constitutional aspects of U.S. foreign relations, and immigration and nationality law. Spiro’s recent scholarship includes: “Disaggregating U.S. Interests in International Law” in Law and Contemporary Problems (forthcoming 2004), “Treaties, International Law, and Constitutional Rights” in the Stanford Law Review (2003) and “Globalization and the (Foreign Affairs) Constitution” in the Ohio State Law Journal (2002).

Sound like the man is a marxist.


210 posted on 03/11/2005 5:23:56 PM PST by ohhhh ("He who reaps the wind shall sow the whirlwind")
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To: teenyelliott
Now if only we would withdraw from the U.N.

We can; it's always been about the guts to do it.

211 posted on 03/11/2005 6:40:51 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: He Rides A White Horse

Well, we all know that politicians have no guts, and certainly most do not have our best interest at heart.


212 posted on 03/11/2005 6:54:37 PM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green is made of liberals...)
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To: neverdem
Good to hear, when you shake hands with carnivors, you tend to pull back a bloody stump. We extended the hand of accountability to evil men in hopes they would do good.
But, they were evil, and used the open door to screw with us, go figure.
213 posted on 03/12/2005 3:04:50 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: neverdem

Good move.


214 posted on 03/12/2005 3:07:18 AM PST by JoeGar
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To: teenyelliott

Amen a thousand times over.


215 posted on 03/12/2005 7:45:08 AM PST by em2vn
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To: neverdem

bump


216 posted on 03/12/2005 8:28:30 AM PST by Republican Wildcat
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217 posted on 03/12/2005 8:28:40 AM PST by Republican Wildcat
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218 posted on 03/12/2005 8:28:51 AM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: neverdem
"It's a sore-loser kind of move," Professor Spiro said. "If we can't win, we're not going to play."

Only fools play rigged games.

219 posted on 03/12/2005 8:35:27 AM PST by Flashman_at_the_charge (A proud member of the self-preservation society)
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To: adam_az
We must let law professors decide. Wasn't that the Founders' intent.

If we let the people have a voice through those whom they have been electing recently, who knows where it will end?

Professors, journalists and movie actors could lose control.

The "progressive" view of Eurosocialism could lose its dominance. Alas, alack-aday! Oh woe!

220 posted on 03/12/2005 11:44:52 AM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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