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U.S. Says It Has Withdrawn From World Judicial Body
NY Times ^ | March 10, 2005 | ADAM LIPTAK

Posted on 03/09/2005 8:35:05 PM PST by neverdem

Prompted by an international tribunal's decision last year ordering new hearings for 51 Mexicans on death rows in the United States, the State Department said yesterday that the United States had withdrawn from the protocol that gave the tribunal jurisdiction to hear such disputes.

The withdrawal followed a Feb. 28 memorandum from President Bush to Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales directing state courts to abide by the decision of the tribunal, the International Court of Justice in The Hague. The decision required American courts to grant "review and reconsideration" to claims that the inmates' cases had been hurt by the failure of local authorities to allow them to contact consular officials.

The memorandum, issued in connection with a case the United States Supreme Court is scheduled to hear this month, puzzled state prosecutors, who said it seemed inconsistent with the administration's general hostility to international institutions and its support for the death penalty.

The withdrawal announced yesterday helps explains the administration's position.

Darla Jordan, a State Department spokeswoman, said the administration was troubled by foreign interference in the domestic capital justice system but intended to fulfill its obligations under international law.

But Ms. Jordan said, "We are protecting against future International Court of Justice judgments that might similarly interfere in ways we did not anticipate when we joined the optional protocol."

Peter J. Spiro, a law professor at the University of Georgia, said the withdrawal was unbecoming.

"It's a sore-loser kind of move," Professor Spiro said. "If we can't win, we're not going to play."

Ms. Jordan emphasized that the United States was not withdrawing from the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations itself, which gives people arrested abroad the right to contact their home countries' consulates. But the United States is withdrawing, she said, from an optional protocol that gives the International Court of Justice in The Hague, the principal judicial organ of the United Nations, jurisdiction to hear disputes under the convention.

"While roughly 160 countries belong to the consular convention," she said, "less than 30 percent of those countries belong to the optional protocol. By withdrawing from the protocol, the United States has joined the 70 percent of the countries that do not belong. For example, Brazil, Canada, Jordan, Russia and Spain do not belong."

Among the countries that have signed the protocol are Australia, Britain, Germany and Japan.

Ms. Jordan said Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice informed Kofi Annan, the secretary general of the United Nations, of the move on Monday.

Harold Hongju Koh, the dean of the Yale Law School and a former State Department official in the Clinton administration, said the Bush administration's strategy was counterproductive.

"International adjudication is an important tool in a post-cold-war, post-9/11 world," Dean Koh said.

For 40 years, from 1946 to 1986, the United States accepted the general jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice in all kinds of cases against other nations that had also agreed to the court's jurisdiction. After an unfavorable ruling from the court in 1986 over the mining of Nicaragua's harbors, the United States withdrew from the court's general jurisdiction.

But it continued to accept its jurisdiction under about 70 specific treaties, including the protocol withdrawn from on Monday, said Lori F. Damrosch, a law professor at Columbia. The other treaties cover subjects like navigation, terrorism, narcotics and copyrights, and they are unaffected.

The United States Supreme Court is scheduled to hear the case of José Ernesto Medellín, a Mexican on death row in Texas, on March 28. Mr. Medellín asks the court to enforce last year's judgment of the international tribunal. Texas opposes the request.

When the federal government filed its supporting brief for Texas in the case at the end of last month, it appended the memorandum from the president to the attorney general.

Before the administration's strategy came into focus, international law professors greeted the memorandum with amazement.

"This is a president who has been openly hostile to international law and international institutions knuckling under, and knuckling under where there are significant federalism concerns," Professor Spiro said.

As it turned out, Dean Koh said, the government had "an integrated strategy."

"Element 1," he continued, "was to take the bat out of the Supreme Court's hand."

Lawyers for Mr. Medellín reacted cautiously. In a motion filed in the Supreme Court yesterday, Donald F. Donovan, a lawyer with the New York law firm Debevoise & Plimpton, asked the court to put off hearing argument until Texas state courts could consider Mr. Medellín's claim.

For their part, Texas prosecutors have not conceded that the president has the power to force courts there to reopen the Medellín case.

In a statement, Jerry Strickland, a spokesman for Attorney General Greg Abbott of Texas, questioned the president's authority.

"The State of Texas believes no international court supersedes the laws of Texas or the laws of the United States," Mr. Strickland said. "We respectfully believe the executive determination exceeds the constitutional bounds for federal authority."

Sandra Babcock, a Minnesota lawyer who represents the government of Mexico, said she had no doubt that the president was authorized to instruct state courts to reopen Mr. Medellín's case and 50 others.

"The law is on our side," Ms. Babcock said. "The president is on our side. I keep having to slap myself."


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To: Chef Dajuan

Naw, if we're putting a black man in solely on the basis of his race, that'd be a bad thing. Plus, I don't trust the stories about Attucks, since they seem to be primarily based on the work of William Nell, who was himself an activist trying to promote black freedom at the time, and not necessarily an unbiased source. Attucks might just have been at the wrong place at the wrong time. Any freedom fighter included has to be someone who's allied himself to the cause and deserves it on merit.

Now, that doesn't mean I won't take suggestions--I just don't know that Attucks fits the bill. It could well be a fictitious African, and ANY African, who meets the specs. In fact, fictitious is kind of hard to beat (which is why Uncle Sam and John Bull are the American and British reps). If the Poles and the Aussies had similar Joe Blow national counterparts, I'd put them instead of Kosciusko and Patterson.


181 posted on 03/10/2005 2:46:13 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (The South will rise again? Hell, we ever get states' rights firmly back in place, the CSA has risen!)
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To: yankeedame

It's so hard to be patient.....


182 posted on 03/10/2005 2:48:29 PM PST by Serenissima Venezia (Get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US)
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To: FairOpinion

"THIS is scary! It was about time to totally withdraw from letting other interfere in our sovereignty."

Here, here! And it's also time to get rid of judges who look to foreign sources to base their opinions on!


183 posted on 03/10/2005 2:51:07 PM PST by Serenissima Venezia (I like to end sentences prepositions with)
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To: HardStarboard

"Memo to the US Supreme Court:
American law applies in the United States.
International law applies elsewhere! "

ditto!


184 posted on 03/10/2005 2:52:34 PM PST by Serenissima Venezia (Dittohead)
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To: New Orleans Slim
If we don't follow the treaty, then the next time an American gets arrested in Mexico, Mexican authorities may very well decline to uphold the American's rights under the treaty.

Then American TOURISTS will stop going to MEXICO, and head to a country that provides better protection for its revenue sources.

MEXICO will be economically destroyed if it allows Americans to be harmed in any way!

185 posted on 03/10/2005 3:07:37 PM PST by TaxRelief (Support the Troops Rally, Fayetteville, NC -- March 19, 2005)
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To: neverdem
"We are protecting against future International Court of Justice judgments that might similarly interfere in ways we did not anticipate when we joined the optional protocol."

Never trust a UN outfit. Period.

Where is Jesse Helms when we need him? He almost singlehandedly exposed the UN for what it really is. I miss him dearly.

186 posted on 03/10/2005 3:15:12 PM PST by george wythe
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To: TitansAFC

It's Lent you know. We don't say the H*******h word during Lent. :-(


187 posted on 03/10/2005 3:21:26 PM PST by TaxRelief (Support the Troops Rally, Fayetteville, NC -- March 19, 2005)
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To: neverdem

World Judicial Body is that the same as the World Courts? If so i thought we already withdrew from that, or is this a seperate thing?


188 posted on 03/10/2005 3:22:30 PM PST by Next_Time_NJ (NJ demorat exterminator)
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To: TaxRelief

---"It's Lent you know. We don't say the H*******h word during Lent. :-("---

In the case, I'll do whatever it takes to purchase an indulgence to celebrate our withdrawl.

Heh heh heh ;-)


189 posted on 03/10/2005 3:29:32 PM PST by TitansAFC (When will Kristen Breitweiser just declare her candidacy already?!?!?)
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To: peyton randolph
"Peter J. Spiro Dean and Virginia Rusk Professor of International Law at the University of Georgia, said the withdrawal was unbecoming."

Sounds like Spiro is a typical Dimwit pinko prof with his panties in a bunch over W taking action to protect U.S. interests from frogs.

Hey guys, ease off, Professor Spiro's just trying to protect his job!
190 posted on 03/10/2005 4:11:08 PM PST by kenavi ("Remember, your fathers sacrificed themselves without need of a messianic complex." Ariel Sharon)
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To: neverdem
"International adjudication is an important tool in a post-cold-war, post-9/11 world," Dean Koh said.

YUCK!

191 posted on 03/10/2005 4:21:04 PM PST by KiloLima (Lord, have mercy on us!)
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To: OXENinFLA

Well that's a start! When do we withdraw from the UN?


192 posted on 03/10/2005 4:24:54 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Coleus
Some good news in the international arena.

Yes, but not completely in the domestice arena. The state of Texas will have to fight the President, who is from Texas...

For their part, Texas prosecutors have not conceded that the president has the power to force courts there to reopen the Medellín case.

In a statement, Jerry Strickland, a spokesman for Attorney General Greg Abbott of Texas, questioned the president's authority.

"The State of Texas believes no international court supersedes the laws of Texas or the laws of the United States," Mr. Strickland said. "We respectfully believe the executive determination exceeds the constitutional bounds for federal authority."

This was set in motion before the decision to withdraw...

193 posted on 03/10/2005 4:27:30 PM PST by KiloLima (Lord, have mercy on us!)
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To: Next_Time_NJ
World Judicial Body is that the same as the World Courts? If so i thought we already withdrew from that, or is this a seperate thing?

We declined to ratify the treaty recognizing the International Criminal Court. In this case, we withdrew from protocols that granted review to the International Court of Justice in the Hague.

194 posted on 03/10/2005 4:29:40 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Happy2BMe

Borge used to be a "poet," now he's just a thug. I say, if they get some U.N. resolutions against the U.S. and we defy them and they decide to "use force." Well...


195 posted on 03/10/2005 4:31:18 PM PST by KiloLima (Lord, have mercy on us!)
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To: TitansAFC

What would a "President Kerry" have done to deal with this?


196 posted on 03/10/2005 4:43:35 PM PST by Texas Songwriter (p)
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To: neverdem

Three Cheers! This is great news!


197 posted on 03/10/2005 5:15:47 PM PST by FierceKulak
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To: KiloLima
What can you say? Americans are quickly becoming made aware that our nation is undergoing an unarmed invasion and they are the ones losing.

(What it is going to take to bring this nightmare to a head is anybody's guess.)

198 posted on 03/10/2005 6:22:53 PM PST by Happy2BMe (Government is not the solution to our problem, government *IS* the problem.)
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To: Publius6961

"That's what they do now, and have been doing forever."

Actually, Mexico is far better about contacting consuls as required under the convention. As are most States. Texas is the most agregious violator.

" How else can they require relatives of jailed Americans to pay for room & bard(!) while in jail and extract other extortions before releasing their prisoners?"

That's a different story than contacting consulates, isn't it? Anyway, some jurisdictions in the US require prisoners to cough-up room and board.


199 posted on 03/10/2005 7:08:02 PM PST by New Orleans Slim
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To: DoughtyOne

"Bush was supposed to have rescinded our signature to join the International Court of Justice."

I believe you are thinking of the International Criminal Court.

We have been a part of the International Court of Justice since 1946 according to the article.


200 posted on 03/10/2005 7:20:39 PM PST by mjaneangels@aolcom
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