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Two Die In Passaic County Plane Accident
1010 WINS WEST MILFORD, N.J. ^ | Feb 28, 2005 6:50 am US/Eastern | 1010wins

Posted on 02/28/2005 6:48:45 AM PST by Calpernia

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To: Turbopilot

Certs for B26 and a couple of Lears.

Very impressive. Shame he had to go.


41 posted on 02/28/2005 3:15:51 PM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: bill1952; Petruchio
Not to be rude, but are you also an AME? I'm not, and without the competent and unofficial advice of an AME, it'd be impossible to determine whether Petruchio could reasonably get a medical. AOPA, among other organizations, has an Aeromedical division with professionals who can confidentially look at Petruchio's individual case and determine the best route for him. Indeed, there are many pilots who have recovered from heart surgery who have successfully applied for a medical.

Petruchio, I saw from your profile you're an Illinoisan. Are you by chance in/near Chicago? If so, there's an AME (Aviation Medical Examiner) in Chicago, Dr. Bruce Chien, who is also a pilot, instructor, and very helpful contributor to AOPA. He has an extremely good record of applying for and receiving special issuances in cases like yours, and knows the right people and procedures to do so. If you'd like, I can see if I could put you in touch with him.
42 posted on 02/28/2005 3:21:14 PM PST by Turbopilot (Viva la Reagan Revolucion!)
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To: bill1952
Agreed.

I just reread my previous post and even though I said I didn't mean to be rude, I'm afraid I came off that way. I apologize; I'd just hate for someone to give up on a dream of flying without even looking into what it might take.
43 posted on 02/28/2005 3:22:59 PM PST by Turbopilot (Viva la Reagan Revolucion!)
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To: Turbopilot

Hey, I agree with your posts re. the AOPA and confidential advice.

Thanks for the post. :^)


44 posted on 02/28/2005 3:30:52 PM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: All

Slight correction: One of the type ratings I read as a Lear is actually a Lockheed JetStar. One hell of a collection, all the same.


45 posted on 02/28/2005 3:32:38 PM PST by Turbopilot (Viva la Reagan Revolucion!)
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To: HairOfTheDog
"Huh.... I wonder what happened."

My first guess is jet fuel was used to fill the tanks. If that did happen you would have just enough of the correct fuel to get airborne before the engine quit. Not an expert, only a guess.

46 posted on 02/28/2005 3:33:24 PM PST by Inge_CAV
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To: Inge_CAV

No jet fuel at W Milford...at least not that I have ever seen.


47 posted on 02/28/2005 4:53:41 PM PST by wingnut1971
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

Nor was he.


48 posted on 02/28/2005 5:27:38 PM PST by U S Army EOD (John Kerry, the mother of all flip floppers.I)
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To: Thinkin' Gal

Blaiming gravity is like trying to blaim Bush for everything. Maybe it was Bush's fault.


49 posted on 02/28/2005 5:30:05 PM PST by U S Army EOD (John Kerry, the mother of all flip floppers.I)
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To: Old Professer

Complicated by instant loss of ground speed.


50 posted on 02/28/2005 5:30:49 PM PST by U S Army EOD (John Kerry, the mother of all flip floppers.I)
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To: Turbopilot

We have a local guy who has had a heart transplant, he has to have a physical every six months to keep flying.


51 posted on 02/28/2005 5:33:00 PM PST by U S Army EOD (John Kerry, the mother of all flip floppers.I)
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To: bill1952

As of right now, if you ever loose your medical due to medical reasons, Sports Pilot is out. They are trying to change that but don't know results of action yet.


52 posted on 02/28/2005 5:38:07 PM PST by U S Army EOD (John Kerry, the mother of all flip floppers.I)
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To: U S Army EOD; Lijahsbubbe; aculeus
Blaiming gravity is like trying to blaim Bush for everything. Maybe it was Bush's fault.

>>>The Federal Aviation Administration says the Cessna 182 was attempting to take off from Greenwood Lake Airport...<<<

Greenwood... Bush... hmmm...

:-O

53 posted on 02/28/2005 6:42:32 PM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Petruchio

Just as an aside; the new "Sport Pilot" license does not require a medical at all. All you need is a valid drivers license and a specified amount of instruction. You are limited to smaller airplanes and VFR only and there are a few other restrictions but there is no requirement for a physical.


54 posted on 03/01/2005 1:32:47 PM PST by Chuckster ("Silence is not golden. It is yellow" Senator Zell Miller)
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To: Calpernia

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20050304X00268&key=1

NTSB Identification: IAD05FA040
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Sunday, February 27, 2005 in West Milford, NJ
Aircraft: Cessna 182P, registration: N6685M
Injuries: 2 Fatal.

This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed.

On February 27, 2005, at 1305 eastern standard time, a Cessna 182P, N6685M, was destroyed when it impacted terrain following a loss of engine power during the initial climb from the Greenwood Lake Airport (4N1), West Milford, NJ. The certified flight instructor (CFI) and private pilot owner were fatally injured. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed and no flight plan was filed for the local instructional flight conducted under 14 CFR Part 91.

According to witness statements, prior to the accident flight the accident airplane was placed in a hangar for approximately 1 hour, to preflight and de-ice, and then placed outside. The pilot was observed to rock the wings up and down with his hands and to be carrying a fuel cup with a sample of fuel in it. After the preflight the pilot was observed to do a "lengthy" run-up, taxi into position at the threshold of runway 06, apply power for takeoff, and lift off approximately 400 to 500 feet later. After climbing to an approximate height of 50 feet at a point about 1,300 feet down the runway, a "puff" of blackish smoke was observed to come from the area of the engine cowl and swirl off of the right side of the airplane. The airplane was then observed to lose altitude and touch down approximately 20 feet from the end of the runway pavement, become airborne, and then sink below the level of the runway.

After striking several trees and a power line, the main wreckage came to rest next to a road approximately 362 feet northeast of the departure end of runway 06, and about 51 feet below it.

The accident occurred during the hours of daylight. The wreckage was located at 41 degrees, 07.953 minutes north latitude, 74 degrees, 20.418 minutes west longitude, at an elevation of about 757 feet msl.

According to Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) records, the flight instructor held an airline transport pilot certificate with multiple ratings including airplane single-engine-land. On his last FAA first-class medical certificate, dated January 31, 2005, he reported a total flight experience of 26,700 flight hours. The pilot held a private pilot certificate for airplane single-engine land. On his last FAA third-class medical certificate, dated January 13, 2005 he reported a total flight time of 600 flight hours.

According to maintenance records, the airplane was manufactured in 1975, was equipped with the original engine, which had been overhauled in 1988 at 3,122.5 hours of operation. The airplane received an annual inspection on May 10, 2004, and at the time of the inspection, had 4,231.5 hours of operation.

A weather observation taken about 38 minutes after the accident at the Sussex Airport (FWN), Sussex, New Jersey, located approximately 14 nautical miles west of the accident site, recorded the wind as variable at 6 knots, visibility 10 miles, sky clear, temperature 32 degrees Fahrenheit, dew point 7 degrees Fahrenheit, and an altimeter setting of 30.24 inches of mercury.

The debris path was about 20 feet long, and orientated on a heading of 086 degrees magnetic.

The main wreckage displayed varying degrees of impact damage, and a post-crash fire consumed the majority of the cockpit and cabin. The left wing, right wing, and tail section, along with all the associated flight control surfaces displayed different degrees of damage. The main wreckage was partially inverted, and the right wing had separated from the airframe. The flap actuator and surviving portions of the flap tracks correlated to the flaps up position, and the elevator trim correlated to approximately neutral. All the major components of the airplane were accounted for at the accident site, and flight control continuity was confirmed from the ailerons to the surviving inboard portions of the wings, and from the elevator and rudder panels to the approximate location of where the cabin was located.

Examination of the cockpit revealed that the throttle control was full in, the mixture control was full rich, and the propeller control was set to high RPM.

Continuity of the fuel lines from both tanks to the fuel selector and continuity of the fuel line from the fuel selector to the fuel strainer could not be confirmed because of impact and fire damage.

Examination of the propeller revealed that both propeller blades displayed minimal impact damage with the exception of one blade that exhibited slight bending in the rearward direction. Both blades had remained attached to the hub. However, the blades could be separately rotated from the low pitch setting to the high pitch setting by hand.

Examination of the engine revealed minimal impact and post-crash fire damage. Continuity of the intake system, exhaust system, valve train, and crankshaft was confirmed. The engine was then rotated by hand and thumb compression and spark continuity was noted on all six cylinders.

An examination of the fuel system from the firewall forward was conducted. The fuel line from the gascolator to the carburetor was removed, and a fuel sample was obtained for examination. The sample appeared to be dull, cloudy and visible contamination was evident. The carburetor was removed and disassembled to inspect the inside of the float bowl. The internal portion of the float bowl was clean, and free of sediment and debris. The gascolator bowl was removed and a large piece of ice with visible contaminants suspended in it were found attached to the fuel gascolator screen.

Portions of the fuel system were retained by the Safety Board for further examination.


55 posted on 03/27/2005 2:56:44 PM PST by leadpenny
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