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Why is it that everyone understands the concept of accountability except university professors?
1 posted on 02/26/2005 9:27:31 AM PST by freespirited
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The governor and legislature need to step in - fire the regents and the faculty. Start CU over again witout these bastards.


2 posted on 02/26/2005 9:30:34 AM PST by mgc1122
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Send us your sons and daughters.


3 posted on 02/26/2005 9:40:12 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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Why is it that everyone understands the concept of accountability except university professors?

Not just professors - all elitists - lawyers, judges, reporters, politicians, celebrities, etc...


4 posted on 02/26/2005 9:40:51 AM PST by deepFR
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"Why is it that everyone understands the concept of accountability except university professors?"

Selfishness. And perhaps shared ideology. They would rather share their creditials with an obvious fraud than risk that their own tenure be jeopardized.

It may be that many of them share his ideology. After all they were probably hired and reviewed over time by the same people.

5 posted on 02/26/2005 9:45:06 AM PST by DannyTN
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It's true that the investigation started due to Churchill's exercise of his "Free Speech", and thus Churchill can argue that the investigation into his competency is merely a proxy, and that what is really under attack is his constitionally protected rights.

Here's the flaw in that logic -- Churchill, in the act of stepping into the public square and speaking his mind, has triggered people to ask who he is and how he got to his position.

That inquiry has exposed many secrets about Churchill's lack of qualifications, which in turn raises the question as to whether he lied to get his position.

His right to free speech doesn't act as a blanket sufficient to cover his culpability for lying/misrepresenting himself. If firing would be a "normal" standard consequence from someone caught in such behavior, CU has the right to apply the same penalty to Churchill. His First Amendment rights don't protect him.

On the other hand, if a mere repremand was the 'normal' penalty, firing him would be viewed as a proxy attempt to chill his First Amendment rights.

So -- it's a factual question as to what CU's pre-existing policies are with respect to misrepresentation and fraud. Let's hope the prescribed penalty is that it is a firing offence.

7 posted on 02/26/2005 9:48:20 AM PST by WL-law
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"It is going to be extremely difficult, if academic freedom is on the block, for us to hire and keep good faculty members," she said.

Maybe it has nothing to do with academic freedom. Maybe it's a matter of someone lying to get a job. Those who have not lied on their Curriculum Vitae's (resumes for the non-ivory tower world) should having nothing to worry about.
8 posted on 02/26/2005 9:48:39 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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It's true that the investigation started due to Churchill's exercise of his "Free Speech", and thus Churchill can argue that the investigation into his competency is merely a proxy, and that what is really under attack is his constitionally protected rights.

Here's the flaw in that logic -- Churchill, in the act of stepping into the public square and speaking his mind, has triggered people to ask who he is and how he got to his position.

That inquiry has exposed many secrets about Churchill's lack of qualifications, which in turn raises the question as to whether he lied to get his position.

His right to free speech doesn't act as a blanket sufficient to cover his culpability for lying/misrepresenting himself. If firing would be a "normal" standard consequence from someone caught in such behavior, CU has the right to apply the same penalty to Churchill. His First Amendment rights don't protect him.

On the other hand, if a mere repremand was the 'normal' penalty, firing him would be viewed as a proxy attempt to chill his First Amendment rights.

So -- it's a factual question as to what CU's pre-existing policies are with respect to misrepresentation and fraud. Let's hope the prescribed penalty is that it is a firing offence.

9 posted on 02/26/2005 9:48:44 AM PST by WL-law
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The petitioners paid a total of nearly $1,600 of their own money to place the ad.

Less than ten bucks each. LOL!

Liberals: big spenders of our money, penny-pinchers when it’s their money.

10 posted on 02/26/2005 9:49:18 AM PST by OneLoyalAmerican (Why are all the whiney liberals vetted as phoney warriors?)
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I love the internet.






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Margaret D. LeCompte, PhD
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School of Education, Room 240
University of Colorado at Boulder
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Boulder CO 80309
Phone: 303-492-7951
Fax: 303-492-7090
Email: margaret.lecompte@colorado.edu

Margaret D. LeCompte is professor of education and sociology. She is internationally known as one of the leading proponents of qualitative and ethnographic research and evaluation in education. In addition to numerous articles and book chapters on research methods in education and the social sciences, her research also includes studies of school reform and school organization, and of at-risk, ethnically diverse, gifted, artistically creative, and language minority students. A critical theorist trained in action research and the interactionist tradition, her fieldwork includes a five-year study of school reform and culture on the Navajo Nation in the United States, a longitudinal study of programs for urban American Indian children in the Southwest, and an ongoing study of identity construction among middle school children in an arts enrichment public school. She has won the University Press of America award for Outstanding Research Article in 1994 and the American Educational Studies Association (AESA) award for Outstanding Book in 1986.

Dr. LeCompte is a member of numerous professional organizations in education and anthropology and was president of the Council on Anthropology and Education of the American Anthropology Association. She serves on several editorial boards as well as committees for the American Educational Research Association. She is the current editor of the journal, Review of Educational Research.

Education:
PhD Education and the Social Order, University of Chicago, 1974
MA Education and the Social Order, University of Chicago, 1969
BA Political Science, Northwestern University, 1964



11 posted on 02/26/2005 9:51:24 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: freespirited

The answer is that university professors understand accountability very well and it scares the heck out of them. I think they picked a poor example this time, however.


15 posted on 02/26/2005 10:05:58 AM PST by Poser (Joining Belly Girl in the Pajamahadeen)
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Now, let's see what we have. Available evidence indicates that Ward Churchill lied about his Indian background, lied about his military background, committed fraud in his academic research, and stole the work of a genuine Indian artist and sold it as his own. And 200 members of the faculty at Colorado University don't think that should be investigated?

Holy Cr*p. If the whole truth were known about Churchill BEFORE he was hired, he could not get a job as a toilet attendant at the Denver bus station.

The legislature of Colorado is thinking entirely too small in its idea of docking the University $100,000 in its budget, to indicate its abhorrence of Professor Churchill. This is not one bad apple in a barrel of good ones. It is a barrel that is rotten from top to bottom.

The legislature should consider closing the University and firing all the staff. Then rehiring faculty and staff under a new and competent President. The criteria should be that no one gets hired without evidence that each can think his/her way out of a wet paper bag, without physical harm to himself or others.

Congressman Billybob

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16 posted on 02/26/2005 10:13:17 AM PST by Congressman Billybob ("The truth is out there." Yep, it's on the Internet, but it takes digging, and common sense.)
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The statement defends Churchill's "right to speak what he believes to be the truth" based on academic freedom rules designed to prevent faculty members from being fired for unpopular views.

This is really what it comes down to. They're not talken about proven facts, or trial results, or accepted theories after extensive academic review. They're talking about "what he believes to be true" simply because it's a professor who believes it.

-PJ

17 posted on 02/26/2005 10:14:28 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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"It is going to be extremely difficult, if academic freedom is on the block, for us to hire and keep good faculty members," she said.

Why? Afraid you might have to actually look at more mainstream people?

18 posted on 02/26/2005 10:16:11 AM PST by farmfriend ( Congratulations. You are everything we've come to expect from years of government training.)
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"It is going to be extremely difficult, if academic freedom is on the block, for us to hire and keep good faculty members,"

No, it won't be difficult at all. First, none of these professors will resign, and second, if one does resign there will be fifty applicants, just as well or better qualified, lined up to take their overpaid, elitist positions.

20 posted on 02/26/2005 10:20:17 AM PST by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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Nearly 200 University of Colorado faculty members have bought a full-page newspaper ad demanding that school officials halt their investigation of Ward Churchill's work.

They don't want to see the spokeman for their socialist party taken away from their Univerity.


21 posted on 02/26/2005 11:00:21 AM PST by taxesareforever
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Read "Man Without A Country"...A 19th century man who made public statements of hatred for America and was later surprised to find himself sentenced to spend the rest of his life on Navy ships, never to set foot in this country again.

Why not Mr. Churchill?

22 posted on 02/26/2005 11:09:19 AM PST by squirt-gun
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"It is going to be extremely difficult, if academic freedom is on the block, for us to hire and keep good faculty members," she said."

Sounds like she thinks a kook like Ward Churchill is what the students of CU deserve. Too many education degrees will do that to you every time.


23 posted on 02/26/2005 11:12:46 AM PST by lotusblos
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tenure was created after ww2 by leftists for leftists.

while taxpayers that support universities have virtually no job security, professors do.



31 posted on 02/26/2005 5:19:09 PM PST by ken21 ( warning: a blood bath when rehnquist, et al retire. >hang w dubya.< dems want 2 divide us.)
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Nearly 200 University of Colorado faculty members have bought a full-page newspaper ad demanding that school officials halt their investigation of Ward Churchill's work.

This should be a clarion call to anyone with half a brain to start an investigation into ALL of their "work", not just Churchills.

Let's find out just what these "educators" don't want us to know about what they do.

35 posted on 02/27/2005 2:00:20 AM PST by Bullish
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