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County Officials Oppose Va. Bill on Gun-Range Noise
Washington Post ^ | 2-21-05 | Chris Jenkins

Posted on 02/21/2005 11:09:04 AM PST by Dan from Michigan

County Officials Oppose Va. Bill on Gun-Range Noise
Local Governments Want to Set Own Limits as Supporters Seek to Protect Clubs Hoping to Expand

By Chris L. Jenkins
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, February 21, 2005; Page B02

RICHMOND -- When Dee Papit moved to her rural home in Hanover County a decade ago, she knew life, in some ways, would be a little more inconvenient in the country. No more morning strolls to the coffee shop she had enjoyed in Richmond. Maybe a longer drive to the store to buy the weekly groceries.

She even adjusted to the bursts of gunfire from the outdoor shooting range nearby.

But over the past several years, the rat-a-tat-tat from the Cavalier Rifle and Pistol Club has increased as its membership has grown, to the point that the noise "becomes unbearable," she said. But because the club is grandfathered into county ordinances on noise levels, there is nothing she can do about what she describes as a "constant nuisance."

"I know they were here first, but what happens if they ever want to add more ranges on their property?" said Papit, 47, a marketing consultant whose 25-acre farm is about a two-hour drive south of the District. "The noise could get even worse."

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House Bill 2282, sponsored by Del. William R. Janis (R-Goochland), would establish a statewide noise standard for outdoor shooting ranges. The measure would prevent local governments from setting their own noise standards.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; environment; guns; landuse; propertyrights; ranges; vageneralassembly

1 posted on 02/21/2005 11:09:04 AM PST by Dan from Michigan
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To: Dan from Michigan

2 posted on 02/21/2005 11:11:01 AM PST by pabianice
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To: Dan from Michigan
...the rat-a-tat-tat from the Cavalier Rifle and Pistol Club ...

The sound of freedom. Some don't get it.

3 posted on 02/21/2005 11:13:13 AM PST by ladtx ( "Remember your regiment and follow your officers." Captain Charles May, 2d Dragoons, 9 May 1846)
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To: Dan from Michigan

Simple. Legalize silencers.


4 posted on 02/21/2005 11:16:41 AM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: Dan from Michigan
"What happens if they ever want to add more ranges on their property?" said Papit, 47. "The noise could get even worse."

"If" and "could get worse"?

That's the best they can come up with?

5 posted on 02/21/2005 11:24:50 AM PST by KidGlock (W-1)
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To: Dan from Michigan
I heard a story about something that happened on the eastern ouskirts of the Cleveland area, where new megahomes are being built right out in the midst of Ohio farmland.

To make a long story short, some yuppie couple sued their farmer neighbor because his early work schedule was disturbing their Saturday slumber. That was nothing, however, compared to the aroma of fresh manure in the springtime, since the yups' abode was downwind of the farm.

6 posted on 02/21/2005 11:28:25 AM PST by Kenton ("Life is tough, and it's really tough when you're stupid" - Damon Runyon)
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To: Kenton

In my in-laws county, they mail prospective homebuyers a scratch and sniff manure card. Basically it says, "this is what your new home will smell like. If you don't like it, buy somewhere else."


7 posted on 02/21/2005 11:30:09 AM PST by cyclotic (Cub Scouts-Teach 'em young to be men, and politically incorrect in the process)
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To: Dan from Michigan
"When Dee Papit moved to her rural home in Hanover County a decade ago, she knew life, in some ways, would be a little more inconvenient in the country."

Then move back to the city, for cripe's sakes. Why do you think the city sucks so much? It's because it's full of idiots like yourself.

Bringing your stupidity out to the country isn't going to make anything better, you'll just end up having screwed up both places for everybody.

8 posted on 02/21/2005 12:07:05 PM PST by Fido969
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To: Dan from Michigan
This "moving to the nuisance" situation reminds me of the Lake Anna situation. (Central Virginia) Lake Anna was created a few decades ago to provide water for nuclear power plants. People built houses there and turned it into a nice waterfront resort community.

Now Dominion Power wants to get clearance to build another nuclear reactor, and folks are up in arms. Some person had the audacity to oppose the new reactor based on its supposed impact on the Lake that was created in order to provide water for the nuclear plants. Talked about possible lowering of the water level.

9 posted on 02/21/2005 12:20:29 PM PST by Montfort
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To: Dan from Michigan

The Noise Nazis are at it again. Summon the militia!


10 posted on 02/21/2005 12:28:29 PM PST by AZ_Cowboy ("Be ever vigilant, for you know not when the master is coming")
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To: Fido969

"Then move back to the city, for cripe's sakes. Why do you think the city sucks so much? It's because it's full of idiots like yourself.

Bringing your stupidity out to the country isn't going to make anything better, you'll just end up having screwed up both places for everybody."

Glad I'm not the only one that sees it this way. Good rant!


11 posted on 02/21/2005 12:32:13 PM PST by AZ_Cowboy ("Be ever vigilant, for you know not when the master is coming")
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To: AZ_Cowboy
I was in a sporting good store in southern Maine, and was standing at the gun counter drooling over an 88 magnum or something. This woman wanders over from the Gortex department and says loudly: "Do you need a permit to buy a gun here?" "Where are you from?" the clerk asked. "Massachusetts." "No, you can't buy a gun here." he says.

"But anyone from Maine can just buy a gun without a permit?" she says. "Yes," the clerk replied.

"I think that's DISGUSTING!" the woman said haughtily.

Well, the clerk can't say anything of course, but I mumbled, loud enough for her to hear: "Then go back to Massachusetts." The fellow next to me said something about as disparaging.

She look SHOCKED that one of the country hicks would DARE talk back to her, and she stormed off.

It was a delightful moment, indeed. I am sure she went back to Weston or wherever and horrified her library club with the tale about the wild-west Neanderthals that are running amok in Maine.

And I am sure that she thinks that something needs to be done about us.

12 posted on 02/21/2005 12:46:53 PM PST by Fido969
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To: Fido969

Great story. These people will say almost anything. They feel as if they're entitled to stomp all over anyone who is the least bit different than they are. If we acted toward them like they do toward us, they all would have either committed suicide or started a civil war by now.


13 posted on 02/21/2005 12:58:50 PM PST by AZ_Cowboy ("Be ever vigilant, for you know not when the master is coming")
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To: Dan from Michigan

but propose that all members of the club get a silencer ( it's not THAT hard ) and they'll change their complaint to "the smell of cordite" or "dangers of stray rounds" or something.

GRRRrrrrr


14 posted on 02/21/2005 2:27:45 PM PST by stompk
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To: AZ_Cowboy
I've actually begun doing that to frightened Sheeople. "You mean you go outside WITHOUT a gun? What are you? Crazy or something? It's dangerous out there..."

I strike up conversations with women and men checking out the binoculars at Wal-Mart while I'm buying ammo. "So, you going shooting this weekend? What do you mean you don't like guns? Is it the color scheme?"

I'm gonna get arrested for sure one of these times...

15 posted on 02/21/2005 3:01:27 PM PST by Dead Corpse (The neighborhood is pretty dead at night, and I'm the one to blame....)
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To: Yo-Yo
Simple. Legalize silencers.

They are legal. If you want to do the paperwork, wait until its processed, and pay your $200 tax on top of the price of the silencer.

16 posted on 02/21/2005 5:35:36 PM PST by P8riot (Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional.)
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To: Dead Corpse
Well, gun owners tend to be quiet and respectable people. That partly because getting arrested (or committed) will pretty much lose you your right to own a handgun.

Also, it's not a great idea to advertise that you have guns, a decal on the window: "Protected by Smith and Wesson" is an also an invitation to a break-in when you are not at home.

As far as having people know if you are carrying - the last thing you need to do is to run into a hyped-up adrenelin-overloded cop who thinks that his best chance of going home alive tonight is to shoot you first.

17 posted on 02/21/2005 7:33:47 PM PST by Fido969
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To: Fido969
I'm a big proponent of Open Carry. Make tooled leather and fancy scrollwork on a pistola a fashion statement again. Yeah, the fainting lillies and whining Sucker Moms will urinate on themselves... But their blind bias should never be enough excuse to disarm the "Good Guys".

As for "hyped-up" cops, these days... it seems there are plenty that'll shoot you no matter what you do. And yet, I'd still go to an officers aid in a bad situation. I'd like to thhink that'd engender a certain spirit of reciprocity.

18 posted on 02/22/2005 6:51:48 AM PST by Dead Corpse (The neighborhood is pretty dead at night, and I'm the one to blame....)
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