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Judge denies bid to set aside Schiavo ruling
Associated Press ^ | Feb. 11, 2005 | VICKIE CHACHERE

Posted on 02/11/2005 3:51:10 PM PST by amdgmary

Judge denies bid to set aside Schiavo ruling; options narrow

VICKIE CHACHERE Associated Press

TAMPA, Fla. - A Pinellas judge turned down Friday a request to set aside his order allowing Terri Schiavo's feeding tube be removed, closing another legal avenue to her parents in their quest to keep her alive.

Circuit Court Judge George Greer said in a nine-page order that attorneys of parents Robert and Mary Schindler did not have sufficient legal basis to move toward a hearing on the issues they raised last month.

The attorneys had asked Greer to set aside his order, which will let her husband order her feeding-tube removed, based on their contention that Terri Schiavo's due process rights were violated when she was not appointed independent legal representation.

The 41-year-old severely disabled woman, who grew up in the Philadelphia suburb of Huntingdon Valley, Pa., is at the center of a long-running legal battle between her husband and parents over whether she should live or die.

Terri Schiavo suffered severe brain damage 15 years ago and some doctors have ruled she is in a persistent vegetative state; others believe she does have some mental abilities.

David Gibes, the attorney representing the Schindlers, did not immediately respond to a request for comment Friday.

"I don't think it's any surprise the judge decided not to declare his order void after it's been reviewed by 20 or 30 appellate justices," Felos said Friday.

Felos said he expects the Schindlers to appeal the latest ruling from Greer.

Gibbs had been seeking a hearing on his arguments, which has been a repeated issue the Schindlers and their supporters have raised in the case.

The Schindlers believe their daughter should have had an independent representation because they argue their son-in-law has a conflict of interest in seeking to end his wife's life. At one point, Michael Schiavo stood to inherit hundreds of thousands of dollars if his wife died. He also is raising a new family with his fiancee.

Michael Schiavo is unlikely to inherit much of what was once more than $750,000 in a medical trust fund for his wife because most of it has been spent on legal bills in nearly eight years of litigation with here parents.

Greer cited a ruling from the 2nd District Court of Appeal saying it was appropriate for Greer to serve the function of an independent advocate for Terri Schiavo as he considered whether Michael Schiavo should be allowed to order the feeding tube disconnected.

Greer has twice ruled that there was appropriate evidence that Terri Schiavo would not want to be kept alive artificially and twice her feeding tube has been removed only to be reinserted, once under the order of another judge and once through intervention by Gov. Jeb Bush and a special law.

The Schindlers have offered to take over the keep of their daughter, including the expense, if her husband would agree to surrender custody of her care.

Felos has said Michael Schiavo will seek to remove his wife's feeding tube on Feb. 22, but said he expects the Schindlers to file more motions and ask Greer to issue a stay banning the removal of the tube pending further legal appeals.

"This outrageous abuse of the legal system should stop and it should stop now," Felos said. "Terri Schiavo's rights to remain free of forced-feeding were determined five years ago, there is absolutely no reason they should be postponed any further."


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: euthanasia; georgefelos; judgegeorgegreer; michealmurderer; terrischiavo; terrischindler
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1 posted on 02/11/2005 3:51:11 PM PST by amdgmary
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To: amdgmary
Seems to me that if pappa just scragged ol' judge Greer he'd be out on the street in 60 days at worst.

No doubt the man has been subjected to enormous psychological pressure by the husband, the judge, and their friends ~ he'd definitely find a sympathetic jury under any conditions we can imagine.

2 posted on 02/11/2005 3:53:47 PM PST by muawiyah ((how cynical can we sound today))
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To: muawiyah
What's the pedigree on this pissant Greer?


3 posted on 02/11/2005 3:55:10 PM PST by Viking2002 (Let's get the Insurrection started, already..............)
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To: All; floriduh voter; Scoop 1; Schiminie; phenn; TOUGH STOUGH; Theodore R.; cyn; tutstar; ...

Ping


4 posted on 02/11/2005 3:55:23 PM PST by amdgmary (www.terrisfight.org)
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To: muawiyah
Isn't amazing that the big brave liberals can't wait to murder defenseless Terri, just as they can't resist murdering defenseless babies in mass numbers?

Pick on someon your own size, liberals, like a Norwegian wharf rat.

5 posted on 02/11/2005 4:01:20 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (Honoring Saint Jude's assistance every day.)
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To: amdgmary

GOOD. You were one step ahead of me. Thank you!


6 posted on 02/11/2005 4:05:33 PM PST by TOUGH STOUGH (If starvation & dehydration are painless, make them the method of preference for Capital Punishment.)
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To: TOUGH STOUGH

you're welcome


7 posted on 02/11/2005 4:07:25 PM PST by amdgmary (www.terrisfight.org)
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To: amdgmary; floriduh voter; phenn; cyn; FreepinforTerri; kimmie7; Pegita; windchime; tutstar; ...

Terri ping. If anyone would like to be added to or removed from my Terri ping list, please let me know by FReepmail!


9 posted on 02/11/2005 4:14:52 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: All
As per fv's request please e-mail the following:

AskDOJ@usdoj.gov

10 posted on 02/11/2005 4:17:56 PM PST by TAdams8591 (The call you make may be the one that saves Terri's life!!!!!!)
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To: amdgmary

Well, it's beginning to look like Nazi Germany for real. Won't be long now. I wonder who will come rescue us from the Nazis? Mark my words, this is the Roe v. Wade of this generation. The new holocaust will begin soon. With approval. Maybe Greer wasn't much of a history buff, he sure didn't learn the lessons from T-4.

God, please be with us!


11 posted on 02/11/2005 4:20:41 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: TAdams8591
One more time:

AskDOJ@usdoj.gov

12 posted on 02/11/2005 4:22:23 PM PST by TAdams8591 (The call you make may be the one that saves Terri's life!!!!!!)
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To: Ohioan from Florida

It is the Roe v. Wade of this generation. Partially why Michael chose the 22nd of this month, in my humble opinion.


13 posted on 02/11/2005 4:24:42 PM PST by TAdams8591 (The call you make may be the one that saves Terri's life!!!!!!)
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To: amdgmary
"Terri Schiavo's rights to remain free of forced-feeding were determined five years ago,

This jumped out at me. Unbelieveable.

14 posted on 02/11/2005 4:40:34 PM PST by DJ MacWoW ("Are you cops? FBI" bad guy, "I'm currently unemployed" Tony Almeida of 24)
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To: amdgmary

I'm sorry. If this were my daughter lying there
I would WANT her released from such an agonizing prison. My God...15 years! I would curse myself for
allowing it to go on one more day, regardless of what
I felt toward her "husband." These people would not
allow their beloved dog to go through such torture.
How can they continue to subject their own flesh and
blood to it?


15 posted on 02/11/2005 4:46:10 PM PST by Grendel9
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To: amdgmary

The Schindlers have offered to take over the keep of their daughter, including the expense, if her husband would agree to surrender custody of her care.

Then Terri might recover and tell what really happened. Maybe then Felos and Greer would join Michael behind bars.

16 posted on 02/11/2005 4:48:19 PM PST by garybob (More sweat in training, less blood in combat.)
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To: Grendel9

You think Chris Reeve should have been released from his prison sooner than he was?


17 posted on 02/11/2005 4:57:56 PM PST by tutstar ( <{{--->< http://ripe4change.4-all.org Violations of Florida Statutes ongoing!)
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To: Grendel9
This is a repost ... it speaks for itself.

A Visit With Terri Schiavo

Attorney Barbara Weller

This past Christmas Eve day, 2004, I went to visit Terri Schiavo with her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, her sister, her niece, and Attorney David Gibbs III. The visit took place at the Woodside Hospice for about 45 minutes just before noon.

When I knew I was going to visit Terri with her parents, I had no idea what to expect. I was prepared for the possibility that the Schindlers love their daughter and sister so much that they might imagine behaviors by Terri that aren't actually evident to others. The media and Mr. Schiavo clearly give the impression that Terri is in a coma or comatose state and engages only in non-purposeful and reflexive movements and responses. I am a mother and a grandmother, as well as one of the Schindlers’ attorneys, and I could understand how parents might imagine behavior and purposeful activity that is not really there. I was prepared to be as objective as I could be during this visit and not to be disappointed at anything I saw or experienced.

I was truly surprised at what I saw from the moment we entered the little room where Terri is confined. The room is a little wider than the width of two single beds and about as long as the average bedroom, with plenty of room for us to stand at the foot of her bed. Terri is on the first floor and there is a lovely view to the outside grounds of the facility. The room is entered by a short hallway, however, and there is no way for Terri to see out into the hallway or for anyone in the hallway to observe Terri.

From the moment we entered the room, my impression was that Terri was very purposeful and interactive and she seemed very curious about the presence of obvious strangers in her room. Terri was not in bed, but was in her chair, which has a lounge chair appearance and elevates her head at about a 30-degree angle. She was dressed and washed, her hair combed, and she was covered with a holiday blanket. There were no tubes of any kind attached to her body. She was completely free of any restraints that would have indicated any type of artificial life support. Not even her feeding tube was attached and functioning when we entered, as she is not fed 24 hours a day.

The thing that surprised me the most about Terri as I took my turn to greet her by the side of her chair was how beautiful she is. I would have expected to see someone with a sallow and gray complexion and a sick looking countenance. Instead, I saw a very pretty woman with a peaches and cream complexion and a lovely smile, which she even politely extended to me as I introduced myself to her. I was amazed that someone who had not been outside for so many years and who received such minimal health care could look so beautiful. She appeared to have an inner light radiating from her face. I was truly taken aback by her beauty, particularly under the adverse circumstances in which she has found herself for so many years.

Terri’s parents, sister, and niece went immediately to greet Terri when we entered the room and stood in turn directly beside her head, stroking her face, kissing her and talking quietly with her. When she heard their voices, and particularly her mother's voice, Terri instantly turned her head towards them and smiled. Terri established eye contact with her family, particularly with her mother, who spent the most time with her during our visit. It was obvious that she recognized the voices in the room with the exception of one. Although her mother was talking to her at the time, she obviously had heard a new voice and exhibited a curious demeanor. Attorney Gibbs was having a conversation near the door with Terri’s sister. His voice is very deep and resonant and Terri obviously picked it up. Her eyes widened as if to say, “What’s that new sound I hear?” She scanned the room with her eyes, even turning her head in his direction, until she found Attorney Gibbs and the location of the new voice and her eyes rested momentarily in his direction. She then returned to interacting with her mother.

When her mother was close to her, Terri’s whole face lit up. She smiled. She looked directly at her mother and she made all sorts of happy sounds. When her mother talked to her, Terri was quiet and obviously listening. When she stopped, Terri started vocalizing. The vocalizations seemed to be a pattern, not merely random or reflexive at all. There is definitely a pattern of Terri having a conversation with her mother as best she can manage. Initially, she used the vocalization of “uh’uh” but without seeming to mean it as a way of saying “no”, just as a repeated speech pattern. She then began to make purposeful grunts in response to her mother’s conversation. She made the same sorts of sound with her father and sister, but not to the same extent or as delightedly as with her mother. She made no verbal response to her niece or to Attorney Gibbs and myself, but she did appear to pay attention to our words to her.

The whole experience was rather moving. Terri definitely has a personality. Her whole demeanor definitely changes when her mother speaks with her. She lights up and appears to be delighted at the interaction. She has an entirely different reaction to her father who jokes with her and has several standing jokes that he uses when he enters and exits her presence. She appears to merely “tolerate” her father, as a child does when she says “stop” but really means, “this is fun.” When her father greets her, he always does the same thing. He says, “here comes the hug” and hugs her. He then says, “you know what’s coming next---the kiss.” Her father has a scratchy mustache and both times when he went through this little joke routine with her, she laughed in a way she did not do with anyone else. When her father is ready to plant the kiss on her cheek, she immediately makes a face her family calls the “lemon face.” She puckers her lips, screws up her whole face, and turns away from him, as if making ready for the scratchy assault on her cheek that she knows is coming. She did the exact same thing both times that her father initiated this little routine joke between the two of them.

The interactions with her family and our appearance in her room appeared to require some effort and exertion from Terri. From time to time, she would close her eyes as if to rest. This happened primarily when no one was paying particular attention to her, but we were talking among ourselves. After a few minutes or when one of the visitors approached her and started to talk directly to her again, Terri would open her eyes and begin her grunting sounds again in response to their conversations. Although I approached her, leaned close and stroked her arms and spoke to her, she did not verbally respond to me.

Terri’s hands are curled up around little soft cylinders that help her not to injure herself. I understand that these contractures are likely very painful, although there was a time when Terri was receiving simple motion therapy when her hands and arms relaxed and were no longer as constricted. When the therapy was discontinued by order of her guardian and the court, the contractures returned. These contractures would apparently be avoidable if Terri were given the simple range of motion therapy she previously received. It is very sad to observe firsthand these conditions that make her life more difficult, but that would be correctable with little effort.

When we were preparing to leave, the interactions with Terri changed. First, she went through the joke routine with her father and the “lemon face.” When her niece said goodbye to her, Terri did not react. Nor did she react to me or to Attorney Gibbs when we said our goodbyes to her. When her sister went to her to say goodbye, Terri’s verbalizations changed dramatically. Instead of the happy grunting and “uh uh” sounds she had been making throughout the visit, her verbalizations at these goodbyes changed to a very low and different sound that appeared to come from deep in her throat and was almost like a growl. She first made the sound when her sister said goodbye and then, amazingly to me, she made exactly the same sound when her mother said goodbye to her. It seemed Terri was visibly upset that they were leaving. She almost appeared to be trying to cling to them, although this impression came only from her changed facial expression and sounds, since her hands cannot move. It appeared like she did not want to be alone and knew they were leaving. It was definitely apparent in the short time I was there that her emotions changed—it was apparent when she was happy and enjoying herself, when she was amused, when she was resting from her exertion to communicate, and when she was sad at her guests leaving. It was readily apparent and surprising that her mood changed so often in a short 45-minute visit.

I was pleasantly surprised to observe Terri’s purposeful and varied behaviors with the various members of her family and with Attorney Gibbs and myself. I never imagined Terri would be so active, curious, and purposeful. She watched people intently, obviously was attempting to communicate with each one in various ways and with various facial expressions and sounds. She was definitely not in a coma, not even close. This visit certainly shed more light for me on why the Schindlers are fighting so hard to protect her, to get her medical care and rehabilitative assistance, and to spend all they have to protect her life.

I realize that Terri has good days and bad days. There are obviously days when she does not interact with her family, as they had previously told us. There are also apparently days when Terri is even more interactive and responsive to them than she was on the day I visited. Since this visit I am more convinced than ever that the Schindlers are not just parents who refuse to let go of their daughter. There really is a lot going on with their daughter and potentially, it seemed obvious to me, Terri could improve even more with appropriate care and 24 hour a day love that can only come from a dedicated family. As I watched her, my foremost thought was that on the next day, Christmas, Terri should not have been confined to her small room in a hospice center, nice as that room was, but that she should have been gathered around the Christmas dinner table enjoying the holiday with her family.

MEDIA: Call the Gibbs Law Firm Media Director, Mr. Keith Brickell, at O:727-399-8300 or C:727-458-4824 to arrange an interview with Attorney David Gibbs III or Attorney Barbara Weller. He can be reached by email: kbrickell@gibbsfirm.com.

18 posted on 02/11/2005 4:58:04 PM PST by Pegita ('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His Word ...)
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To: amdgmary
Just heard on FNC about a woman who is speaking after being in a state just like Terri since the early '80's.

I know there is hope for Terri when she gets some therapy.

19 posted on 02/11/2005 4:58:35 PM PST by mickie
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To: Ohioan from Florida

Once again on a Friday! This is the test case for euthanasia in the U.S. and Felos is busy pounding out his promised book about his fight to kill Terri... You all remember how he crowed about this being a benchmark case.

Now even if there is a DNR...it means that you do not resusitate if a person's heart stops but it doesn't mean that you stop treating the person and that a person's life is maintained until the person dies. Now the euthanasia people will step in and fight to allow people to die a unnatural death. Keep in mind that we are not allowed to starve a death row prisoner to death because that would be considered cruel and unusual punishment but Michael Schiavo has the Court's blessing to starve and dehydrate his wife. He has the has the Court's right to murder her slowly. What must God think of us?


20 posted on 02/11/2005 4:59:02 PM PST by ruoflaw
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