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To: quidnunc

It's interesting that some Lincoln detractors include conservatives, including Charley Reese (who says the nation would have been much, much better if The Confederacy had won the war).

I don't buy the Lincoln-bashing. While it's true he wasn't perfect, he came to power at the most difficult time in American history, and rose to the occasion with intelligence, modesty, and faith that's inspiring.


2 posted on 02/05/2005 6:38:43 PM PST by Clintonfatigued
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To: Clintonfatigued

I spent the better part of my life thinking Lincoln was a great president. I am no longer as convinced as I once was. I am a firm believer in state's righs. I believe the federal government is here to protect the states from invasion, conduct trade policy and little else. What the federal government is today, is probably the best damnation of Lincoln there could be. With stronger states, we wouldn't be in as big a mess as we are today. Lincoln set the state for the federal supremacy.

I'm not convinced of this, but it is definately a point I ponder from time to time.


3 posted on 02/05/2005 6:46:01 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
I don't buy the Lincoln-bashing.

Shelby Foote isn't any kind of knee jerk Northern sympathizer, yet is convinced that Lincoln was an extremely intelligent pragmatist.

I have always been curious regarding Lincoln haters. I wonder what they think was his goal. Was it a worth while goal? If yes, how else could he have succeeded?

4 posted on 02/05/2005 6:47:40 PM PST by stevem
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To: Clintonfatigued
While it's true he wasn't perfect, he came to power at the most difficult time in American history, and rose to the occasion with intelligence, modesty, and faith that's inspiring.

Well said! Abe Lincoln, as a mortal man, made mistakes. Putting Burnside in command of the Army of the Potomac being one of the big ones. He was still a great American.

12 posted on 02/05/2005 7:03:30 PM PST by rdl6989
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To: Clintonfatigued

I am not aware of the "off-switch" that lincoln found to the Constitution. In many acts, he ignored Constitutional restraints on federal power. How so? And to further that egregious behavior, though this is not lincoln's fault per se, modern-day power hungry Centralizers and Collectivists use lincoln's extra-constitutional acts as precedent!! Some will argue that subsuming the Constitutional restraints on central power is exactly what lincoln was about.


64 posted on 02/07/2005 10:40:48 AM PST by PaRebel (Visualize Whirled Peas!)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Charley Reese is NOT a good source...


127 posted on 02/07/2005 2:32:34 PM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: Clintonfatigued
The Lincoln bashers are a single issue group of nuts which also wanted and still want 'a Confederates victory' coupled of course with the continuation of slavery, although this element will tell you point blank.. 'the Civil war had nothing to do with the issue of slavery'...go figure :)

That would give Abe something to ponder, for sure.

179 posted on 02/08/2005 7:51:41 PM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free!)
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