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Cornpone
| 25 Jan 2005
| Cornpone
Posted on 01/25/2005 4:37:42 PM PST by Cornpone
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To: Southack
Even if true, that's no loss to your freedom or rights. Taxation is a loss of freedom. It's money you are no longer free to spend.
"Their is not greater tyranny than to force a man to pay for something he does not want simply because you think it is good for him" -- Robert A. Heinlein.
To: Dan Evans
"Taxation is a loss of freedom. It's money you are no longer free to spend."Indeed. And you'll notice that we've lowered the top tax bracket from 70% under JFK down to almost half that today.
Thanks to the 3 federal income tax cuts under President Bush so far, a family of four earning $40,000 per year only pays fourty-eight Dollars ($48) in annual federal income taxes now (a Tax Freedom Day of January 1).
The estate tax is now dead, again thanks to President Bush. No longer do families have to sell their father's farm simply to pay their estate tax bill.
The double-tax on dividends is almost completely gone now, too.
Thus, we are moving in the correct direction on the tax issue, just as we are gaining back our gun rights, gold rights, voting rights, Internet rights, etc.
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posted on
01/25/2005 11:23:27 PM PST
by
Southack
(Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
To: Southack
Restrictions on *companies* are very different beasts than are restrictions on individual human freedoms. Nevertheless, the manufacturers lost some freedom to decide what kind of cars they will manufacture. And the rest of us suffer because of it.
To: Southack
Indeed. And you'll notice that we've lowered the top tax bracket from 70% under JFK down to almost half that today. But governments still collect about as much as they always did. Inflation continually drives us into upper brackets. Tax codes are so complex that it is meaningless to cite one statistic in marginal income tax rates.
The best way to gauge how much they tax us is to look at how much they spend.
To: Dan Evans
"The best way to gauge how much they tax us is to look at how much they spend."Only if the population hasn't grown, and only if there hasn't been any inflation.
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posted on
01/25/2005 11:33:32 PM PST
by
Southack
(Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
To: Southack
Yes, and the 1st Amendment allows us the freedom to disrobe in public, not just in our homes or private vehicles. Maybe a few horny judges think nudity is the same thing as free speech but most sober people don't think so.
To: Southack
So yes, we are substantially more free today than in 1890, 1934, or even 2002. Try to own a modern produced howitzer, tank or attack helicopter. In 1890-1933 you had EVERY right to own every weapon the US Army and Navy had.
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posted on
01/25/2005 11:45:34 PM PST
by
Centurion2000
(Nations do not survive by setting examples for others. Nations survive by making examples of others)
To: Southack
Compared to being able to trade stocks over the Internet today versus going to jail for so doing if you made those Internet trades in the 1980's? Of course, today, you can go to jail for selling a stock if you had information that the public didn't have. It doesn't do you much good to be able to trade stocks if you aren't free to use information.
To: Cornpone
Discrimination implies the right to choose..nothing more. We should all have the right to choose our associations in our private lives. Yes, giving people the right to discriminate may bring back segregated lunch counters in some towns, but society and the free market has ways to deal with that.
But, as you say, it is much more important that people have the right to choose their associations because it is one of the best ways that free people can manage evil. And it is the best mechanism for the free market to maintain efficiency. A man should not have to worry about being sued because he has too many white males employed on his engineering staff.
To: Junior_G
Are you actually trying to imply that we have more gun rights now than before? Prior to 1934, there were no gun control laws whatsoever.
Yeah, but it didn't apply to everyone.
Real men don't whine.
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posted on
01/26/2005 2:10:37 AM PST
by
rdb3
(The wife asked how I slept last night. I said, "How do I know? I was asleep!")
To: Dan Evans
But I would rather that the 14th amendment were repealed because it gives way too much power to the federal government. We have state constitutions with their own bill of rights.
I don't think so. This nation has been down that road before. We can study the results.
No thank you.
Real men don't whine.
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posted on
01/26/2005 2:15:08 AM PST
by
rdb3
(The wife asked how I slept last night. I said, "How do I know? I was asleep!")
To: Cornpone
the complete and total elimination of the 4th,5th,9th and 10th amendments to the constitution
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posted on
01/26/2005 2:44:41 AM PST
by
freepatriot32
(http://chonlalonde.blogspot.com)
To: Annie03; AntiBurr; Baby Bear; BJClinton; BlackbirdSST; BroncosFan; Capitalism2003; dAnconia; ...
Libertarian ping.To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here.
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posted on
01/26/2005 2:46:35 AM PST
by
freepatriot32
(http://chonlalonde.blogspot.com)
To: Southack
number of gun control laws in 1792 when the constitution was ratified 0 number of gun control laws in 2005
20,000 any questions?
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posted on
01/26/2005 3:00:56 AM PST
by
freepatriot32
(http://chonlalonde.blogspot.com)
To: farmfriend
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posted on
01/26/2005 3:02:52 AM PST
by
E.G.C.
To: Southack
Likewise, prior to 1986, you could be arrested for merely passing through a city or county that forbade guns...even if your own guns were stored in the trunk of your car.
Got a challenge for you get some guns and put them in the trunk of your car then drive through the city o f chicago and let me know when you do so i can call the police and you can see first hand how free you are to carry guns through citys that have outlawed them.
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posted on
01/26/2005 3:04:06 AM PST
by
freepatriot32
(http://chonlalonde.blogspot.com)
To: Kleon
I don't have the freedom to discriminate against homosexuals even though I have every moral and health reason to do so.
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posted on
01/26/2005 3:05:35 AM PST
by
thoughtomator
(Favorite Dish: Spotted Owl Teriyaki)
To: secretagent
Encroachment on the constitutional right to assembly
Examples please.
Churches having to hire homosexuals. No male only clubs although females fortunately still have this freedom. Attempts to ban Christian clubs on public schools. How many examples do you want?
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posted on
01/26/2005 3:11:32 AM PST
by
lbmorris11
(America defeating terrorism and Liberalism)
To: RightWhale
I don't worry about responsibility Al Gore said he'd take care of me.
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posted on
01/26/2005 3:13:22 AM PST
by
lbmorris11
(America defeating terrorism and Liberalism)
To: dljordan
I am 27 and I agree we are losing our freedoms.
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posted on
01/26/2005 3:21:04 AM PST
by
lbmorris11
(America defeating terrorism and Liberalism)
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