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Bush Continues to Support UN "Law of The Sea" Treaty
The New American ^ | January 19, 2005 | William Norman Grigg

Posted on 01/19/2005 6:08:57 PM PST by w6ai5q37b

The Bush administration continues to support Senate ratification of the UN's Convention on the Law of the Sea, which would turn the oceans and their incomprehensible riches over to the world body.

During confirmation hearings before the Senate Foreign Affairs Committee, Secretary of State nominee Condoleezza Rice reaffirmed the Bush administration’s plans to seek ratification of the UN’s Convention on the Law of the Sea (LOST).

During an exchange with Rice, Senator Richard Lugar (R-Ind.), a noted Republican internationalist, quizzed the nominee about earlier statements she had made in support of ratifying LOST. "In your answers to questions for the record … I particularly appreciate your response on the Law of the Sea Convention," commented Lugar.

In her earlier remarks about the treaty, Rice declared: "Joining the convention will advance the interests of the United States military. The United States, as the country with the largest coastline and the largest exclusive economic zone, will gain economic and resource benefits from the convention. The convention will not inhibit the United States nor its partners from successfully pursuing the Proliferation Security Initiative. And the United Nations has no decision-making role under the convention in regulating uses of the oceans by any state party to the convention."

"That’s clearing up an issue sometimes raised by opponents of the convention," asserted Senator Lugar, referring to widespread criticism of the pact as an infringement on U.S. sovereignty. He also quoted Rice as saying that LOST "does not provide for or authorize taxation of individuals or corporations" and concluded: "I cannot think of a stronger administration statement in support of the Law of the Sea Convention."

(Excerpt) Read more at thenewamerican.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bushsellsusout; condoleezarice; dicklugar; georgebush; jbs; johnbirchsociety; lost; tinfoil; unitednations; worldgovernment
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70% of the Earth's surface is ocean. If we get LOST, then the UN will be 70% on the way to it's goal.


1 posted on 01/19/2005 6:09:01 PM PST by w6ai5q37b
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To: w6ai5q37b

They can HAVE the oceans! After all, they're all bottom-feeding scum suckers! Just leave the land masses to the sane people!


2 posted on 01/19/2005 6:11:11 PM PST by pkp1184
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To: hedgetrimmer

Ping!


3 posted on 01/19/2005 6:11:51 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: w6ai5q37b

President Bush is just lucky there was no conservative alternative. I never thought I would live to see an American president agreeing to the ratification of a treaty that could have been drafted at any politburo meeting.


4 posted on 01/19/2005 6:17:27 PM PST by NavVet (“Benedict Arnold was wounded in battle fighting for America, but no one remembers him for that.”)
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To: w6ai5q37b

If someone can cite paragraph and sentence in the UN's Convention on the Law of the Sea, that guarantees "Joining the convention will advance the interests of the United States military," I'd like to see it.

I'd also like to see that this treaty "will gain economic and resource benefits from the convention." Again, cite paragraph and verse.

Finally, cite paragraph and verse that guarantees this - "And the United Nations has no decision-making role under the convention in regulating uses of the oceans by any state party to the convention."

I anxiously await an answer...


5 posted on 01/19/2005 6:22:40 PM PST by sergeantdave (Help save the environment. Mail your old tires and garbage to the local Sierra Club.)
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"They can HAVE the oceans! After all, they're all bottom-feeding scum suckers! Just leave the land masses to the sane people!"

Problem is, it's a two pronged assault. Checked the Southern border lately or been anywhere in Ca and the other States in the Southwest? Soon it will be just as bad elsewhere.

6 posted on 01/19/2005 6:23:16 PM PST by drt1
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To: w6ai5q37b

The only "law of the sea" is whoever has the biggest and best Navy... This thing is really stupid.


7 posted on 01/19/2005 6:23:17 PM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: w6ai5q37b

Any company wanting to mine the sea floor would have to pay a big chunk of the profits into a UN fund that would be distributed to all the mismanaged American hating third world countries of the world.


8 posted on 01/19/2005 6:30:55 PM PST by NavVet (“Benedict Arnold was wounded in battle fighting for America, but no one remembers him for that.”)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

--"The only "law of the sea" is whoever has the biggest and best Navy..."--

Quite true, which is why we should refer to the treaty as the "U.N. law to restrict U.S. Naval actions in the Open Sea."


9 posted on 01/19/2005 6:33:19 PM PST by TitansAFC (Al Gonzales for SCOTUS? Let's just nominate Arlen Specter.)
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To: TitansAFC

The US Navy has endorsed LOST.


10 posted on 01/19/2005 6:38:05 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: sergeantdave

Let's set the whole ball of wax out and examine it.

If President George Bush is supporting this stupid-ass UN treaty, he's no friend of the sovereignty of the United States or we the citizens.

Now I can understand that he supports his "one world order" father. But he represents the American people, not his father.

The president needs to make a choice - the American people or his father's "one world order" friends.

Let's see what happens.


11 posted on 01/19/2005 6:45:01 PM PST by sergeantdave (Help save the environment. Mail your old tires and garbage to the local Sierra Club.)
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To: NavVet

This is the fourth or fifth time I've seen references to undersea mining on this topic. Maybe you mean drilling for oil.

I'm a mining jounalist and even if the technology existed to extract minerals from the ocean floor it would be economically unfeasible. It's hard enough to raise financing for land based resources close to infrastructure even during a period of high commodity prices.


12 posted on 01/19/2005 6:51:45 PM PST by beaver fever
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The US Navy has endorsed LOST.

Do they believe it is in the best interest of the country or is it a case of "shut up and salute".

13 posted on 01/19/2005 6:51:52 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Blackwell for Governor 2006: hated by the 'Rats, feared by the RINOs.)
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To: beaver fever

On the other hand, The continental shelf extends out 600 miles from the northern Alaska coast and would be in the US's EEZ if it signs. Otherwise, it will be claimed by another nation.


14 posted on 01/19/2005 7:01:14 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: KarlInOhio

I'd guess it's some kiss-ass admirals saluting their paychecks and fortified positions.


15 posted on 01/19/2005 7:06:18 PM PST by sergeantdave (Help save the environment. Mail your old tires and garbage to the local Sierra Club.)
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To: KarlInOhio
Issue Brief Prepared for Congress by CRS

Note the section on Naval Power and Maritime Commerce Interests

16 posted on 01/19/2005 7:11:06 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

The continental shelf averages 300 to 600 feet before it drops off into the deep ocean. But the question still remains how to you extact minerals even from that depth.

The technology doesn't exist and it would only be feasible if all the earths land based minererals were exhausted. We are along way off from shortages of any mineral or metal that I am aware of.

To put into perspective. The economic and technological challenges of underwater mining are on the same order of magnitude as mining on the Moon which I find to be an equally zany idea.


17 posted on 01/19/2005 7:12:53 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: beaver fever

I think first come, first served has worked well to date.


18 posted on 01/19/2005 7:15:51 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: beaver fever

Hydrocarbons


19 posted on 01/19/2005 7:21:44 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

As I said to Ben Ficklin the idea of inter-planetary and underwater mining is science fiction. The feasibiliy of mining operations the world over are determined by market fundamentals and engineering limitations.

We are far from running out of metals or minerals including strategic ones like cobalt or uranium.

The economics are not there to make underwater mining remotely profitable during several livetimes and even then recyling would be more economical.

Chances are the mines of the future will be located in waste dumps and landfills, recovering valuable resources that have been discarded.


20 posted on 01/19/2005 7:27:52 PM PST by beaver fever
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