Posted on 01/11/2005 3:49:04 PM PST by EveningStar
We don't know but it wouldn't surprise me that if the adults were screaming, that the baby was hysterical and fighting.
So close to shore but so far. Did the waters suddenly rise or were they carried into this?
Raging torrent claims toddler
Don't cross barricades, officials warn
This story appeared in the Antelope Valley Press on Tuesday, January 11, 2005.
By JAMES C. LOUGHRIE and CHRIS AMICO
Valley Press Staff Writers
Stupid is stupid, negligent is negligent, and illegal is illegal...but THIS was all three.
"The mother didn't think. No matter her race, kids name or what if she loved her baby she probably wishes she was dead too. I say leave her alone. She will live the rest of her life with this. That's punishment enough."
No. If we leave her alone, she will be filing suit against the state because the barriers weren't big enough or some such malarkey.
For these types, it's always someone else's fault. They can't see that their own lack of common sense is the reason bad things happen to them.
My wife left corporate America to work for a charity - at ground level. I help her often. The sad truth is that 95% of "society's victims" are victims of bad decision making - over and over and over....and they all think it's somebody else's doing.
LE will do what they have to do. I have no desire to scream for her head though. How come none of yall have answered my question regarding if you have ever done anything stupid in your life that could have resulted in injury or death though? No speeding? Never looked and decided to cross that rr? Never passed a car when you really should have waited? Cooked a turkey in the garage:')? I lurk on a lot of threads and I read what some of you beat your chest about doing:')I wouldn't have went around this barricade but people just don't think sometimes. I just happen to see things different from yall but that's no crime.
You're not alone.
Well why didn't you say so before:'). Throw away the key so she can't sue someone. (I think she can still do that from jail can't she?)
Why do people do this?
Okay; fair enough; I'll answer your question.
TWICE.
Once, I strapped a pair of skies to my feet and slid down a hill.
Another time, I put on ice skates, and slipped & slid around a rink.
Both times, I was lucky I didn't break my neck, or someone else's.
It taught me to either walk or drive, like God intended, rather than indulge in stupid, dangerous behavior.
The truth is EVERYONE does something dangerous &/or stupid at least once in their life, but most realize that there might be a legal penalty attached. It does not absolve another of responsibility when it does go wrong.
Besides which, the "it's punishemnt enough" theory does nothing to perhaps teach and deter others. Look how many more, in the article above, had done the same thing the very next day, at the very same location, though no one was killed in any of those incidents.
I agree. God forbid that any of us ever make a decision without thinking clearly and someone we love suffer for it. We ain't all Solomons.
So, you never made any stupid mistakes in your life? Not one?
A lot of people around here don't know much about the CA high desert. It can flood, like now. It can get well below freezing in the winter with snow and ice on the 5, 14, 58 and 15 to Vegas. There is no heat retention at all. When you fly down those highways at 85 mph, never, Ever turn the windshield washer on.
From a local Antelope Valley message board, posted at 7:08 p.m. tonight. We have been discussing this at length for days. Another member has a family member involved with the search & rescue and that's where I got the previous information that "the media is blaming the mother unfairly" that I posted earlier.
I saw some posts on this subject and I have more information. I am going to be making a keepsake quilt for this woman. A friend of hers commisioned me to do this and she told me the whole story. [Name withheld] is correct that the road was not barracated at that time. The woman had gone that same way 2 hours before with out incident because her 2 year old had asthma and she took her to the hospital. On the way back it was the only road not barracated. She saw a little water but didn't realize that it was a deap dip. So she went and her car stalled immediatly and she couldn't back up. That was at 9 oclock and she called the search and rescue right then and there. Then she called her husband and family members. At that time the water was only to her ankles. The search and rescue operator told her to stay there and someone would come soon. Well she kept calling and they kept putting her on hold so she finally had someone who was on a land line call. While this is happening the water was rising and her family got there. Her husband even tried to get to them but couldn't. Finally there was so much water that they broke a window and climbed on top of the car. At 9:45 search and rescue got there! They told her that they had to take the big people first even though she asked them to take the baby first. When the helicopter came down to get her 16 year old daughter the wind knocked her, the baby, and her 10 year old into the water. She was able to get ahold of the baby but she was pushed under water while holding the baby up. She said it felt like someone was trying to pull her and she thought it was search and rescue because she was under water and could see. She let her go thinking she was getting pulled out of the water. Moments later they pulled her and the 10 year old out of the water and once they where in the helicopter she asked for the baby and the people replied "What baby?" The pulling she had felt was the force of the water. That is why it took so long to find the childs body. Her husband tried to dive in after her but was held back for his own saftey. So basically it wasn't her fault and she is a nervous, emotional wreck right now. She has been washing her daughters clothes and laying them out as if she were still here. Please keep her in your thoughts and prayers. I know I am. Her daughter was a month older then [name withheld] and I can't help but cling a little closer to my daughter. If there is anything you would like to give to her our write something let me know so I can tell her friend. This way she can pass it on for you.
Officials say differently, but that doesn't mean that the barricades were actually in place, or that some dipsh*t didn't move them or put them in the wrong spot or list the street as closed when it wasn't.
Yeah, I've read all the same reports. First of all believe me when I say don't trust the liberal AV Press. Second, just because the CALTRANS logs indicate the road was closed, doesn't mean barricades were up. I'd like to see the log of which officer(s) put out more than a "flooded" sign, and when.
Maybe the piece I just submitted to you all isn't factual; I wasn't there. Just submitting for your consideration.
I can tell you this. Watching KTTV on Monday morning, their reporter was standing on a bridge over a wash, 3 miles north of this accident, telling everyone that's where it happened. He even commented how the car banged the sides of the wash and the bridge itself. I thought at the time, why in the hell is he lying about this? Now I wonder how many other "facts" the media has bungled.
lainie, I heard something similar to this on the news this morning. For the life of me I can't remember which station. The way it sounded, this lady did NOT do as so many of you think she did...
Please, for those of you who don't know the area, stop with your knee jerk reactions. There's been SO MANY mean things said these past few days on so many threads.
I wouldn't want ANY of you or your family or your state to have to suffer.
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