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Voting by dead people isn't always a scam
Seattle Times ^ | 1/7/05 | Justin Mayo, Christine Willmsen, Mike Carter and Cheryl Phillips

Posted on 01/07/2005 10:12:48 AM PST by BurbankKarl

Voting by dead people isn't always a scam

By Jonathan Martin and David Heath Seattle Times staff reporters

Days after his wife of four decades died of liver cancer, Robert Holmgren came home to find her absentee ballot. He filled in Charlette Holmgren's intended votes for Dino Rossi and George W. Bush, forged her signature, and mailed her ballot along with his.

"I know by the law it wasn't right, but it felt right in my heart," he said. "I wasn't trying to defraud anybody. I was just going with my wife's last wishes."

In six of the state's largest counties, at least 24 dead people were credited with voting in the November election. Some of those can be explained as clerical errors — a voter mistakenly signing the wrong line in a poll book, for instance — and others are cases in which people inadvertently voted in their relatives' names but not in their own.

But three of the cases, including Holmgren's, warrant referral for felony prosecution, elections officials said last night, and several others require further investigation.

Allegations of dead-voter fraud have reverberated on the Internet and talk radio. And the state Republican Party intends to cite dead voters in its expected challenge of the closest gubernatorial election in state history, one in which Democrat Christine Gregoire beat Republican Rossi by 129 votes.

But despite the handful of suspicious cases in which dead people were credited with voting, in at least half of the two dozen cases there is no evidence that extra votes were cast in dead people's names, according to a Seattle Times analysis reviewed by county officials. The clerical errors and surviving relatives' slip-ups mean the wrong person — but not an additional person — was credited with voting.

All but two of the dead voters were in King County. Pierce County did not provide voter history despite numerous requests for the records. One dead voter was from Clark County in southwest Washington, and one was from Spokane County. Of the 24, 14 were credited with voting absentee and 10 with voting at the polls.

Secretary of State Sam Reed said he would "prosecute to the hilt" any valid case of fraudulent votes cast by the dead. But he said he was relieved that there appeared to be few such cases and said the enormity of this year's voter registration and turnout may explain some of the clerical mistakes.

At the request of The Seattle Times, King County elections manager Bill Huennekens opened poll books and voting records to reporters, examining 22 instances where the dead were credited with voting.

Chris Vance, state Republican chairman, said the party has researched votes credited to dead people and believes fraud is a serious problem. "People pass away, then other people vote their ballot," he said. "There's not hundreds [of ballots], but it happens, and in a close election it matters."

Removing names

The slow and cumbersome process of removing the deceased from voter rolls opens a window for mistakes.

Florence Kinnune, whose 71-year-old husband, Charles, died in September, said she wrote the word "deceased" on his absentee ballot envelope and returned it to the county. He was credited with voting.

In some cases, election workers simply scanned the wrong line in poll books. In Clark County, Angie Johnsen, who died in 1997, was credited for a vote cast by Daryl Johnson, whose name is listed below hers, according to county auditor Greg Kimsey.

In King County, Brandon Jones lives in the home of his late grandfather, Donald Jones, and he voted this year at the polls. But a poll worker scanned the wrong line of the poll book, giving Donald, not Brandon, credit for voting.

In other cases, people cast ballots in the name of dead relatives. Maxine A. Zemko of Seattle said she has been voting under the name of Maxine M. Zemko — her mother — since her mother's death in 1983.

That year, according to the younger Zemko, King County elections workers mistakenly erased her from the voter rolls instead of her deceased mother. As an additional complication, Maxine A. Zemko bought her mother's house, so both Maxine Zemkos shared an address. And as her mother would have, Maxine A. Zemko said, she voted for Christine Gregoire.

"Nobody has ever questioned me," said Maxine A. Zemko. "That's part of why I kept doing it, because I wondered how long it would take for them to figure it out. I guess I should fix it."

Usually not a scheme

Nationally, there is rich lore about dead voters, said election reform expert Doug Chapin, citing an old joke from Boston about voters wanting to be buried in specific city boroughs to have their voting rights live on.

But voting by the dead usually indicates simple error and not a widespread scheme, he said. "The reality may not match the lore," said Chapin, director of the nonpartisan Election Reform Information Project.

County elections offices are supposed to receive quarterly updates of death certificates from the state Department of Health to purge dead voters' names from their rolls. But there is usually a six-month delay in processing data. That meant a May update didn't include any 2004 deaths, and a November update came the day before the election — too late to purge the dead.

There is another problem: Counties aren't notified of all deaths in the state, so sometimes a voter's death notice goes to the wrong county.

Under a federal law passed after the 2000 presidential election, the secretary of state is compiling a statewide voter-registration database that may ease the confusion.

It is possible for the votes to be legitimately credited to the dead. Pamela Floyd, the state's deputy elections manager, said an absentee ballot cast by a person who then dies before Election Day counts. "The day they cast their ballot is Election Day for them," she said, citing court rulings.

In whose hand?

Anne Witte's absentee-ballot envelope from the November election is signed in what looks like her elegant script, with a flowing W and looped T's.

But Witte, a longtime Republican activist from Sammamish, could not have penned the signature. She died in February.

Vernon Witte, her husband, said he never saw the ballot and thinks it might have been stolen from his mailbox.

According to the election office, Anne Witte's ballot was postmarked Oct. 28. The signature on the ballot envelope, shown to The Times, closely matched that on Anne Witte's voter-registration card.

Dean Logan, head of King County elections, said the matched signatures made him question the authenticity of Anne Witte's original card. "I want to do more research," he said.

Other ballots also defy easy explanation. Marcia Pettersen, 54, the daughter of Joan MacDonald, said she had been picking up the mail for her mother since the 81-year-old woman died last August. MacDonald was credited with voting by absentee.

"I never saw an absentee ballot," Pettersen said. "I have no idea how this could have happened."

Viola Fey, whose 80-year-old husband, John, died in May, said she recalls throwing his ballot into the trash.

"They came on the same day. I sent mine in and threw his out," she said.

Reed said the super-heated election year may have derailed purges of dead voters. In addition to dealing with a new primary-voting model, counties struggled with record numbers of voter registrations and ballots.

Some voters, he said, may have taken advantage. "The emotion over this presidential race exceeded any other race I've seen. People felt like it was a holy crusade, either anti-Bush or pro-Bush. When people get that emotional, and temptation is in front of them, well ... "

Seattle Times reporters Justin Mayo, Christine Willmsen, Mike Carter and Cheryl Phillips contributed to this report.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: cantwejustmoveon; creativewriting; deadvote; demapologists; dinorossi; doublespeak; everybodydoesit; ignoremanbehindcurtn; revote; thedeadvote; votefraud
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1 posted on 01/07/2005 10:12:49 AM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

I'm amazed the lengths the Seattle media will go to in order to protect Gregoire's butt.

Forging a ballot is illegal, period.


2 posted on 01/07/2005 10:14:39 AM PST by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Pajama Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: BurbankKarl

I admire his sentimentality, but yes, it's both a scam and illegal.


3 posted on 01/07/2005 10:14:50 AM PST by 7.62 x 51mm (• veni • vidi • vino • visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: BurbankKarl
Rationalizing ones actions in this way is fun! Let's extend it beyond the tawdry topic of voting:

Cheating old folks out of their life savings isn't always a scam. My dear departed parents always hoped that I would become rich. By bilking the elderly, I am merely going with their last wishes.

4 posted on 01/07/2005 10:16:55 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: BurbankKarl

In Indiana it's legal to vote if you are dead, if you have a valid drivers license and walk in to the voting booth. Due to voter record purging they labeled some people as dead who were quite alive.


5 posted on 01/07/2005 10:17:07 AM PST by handy old one (Never confuse the facts with the issues!!)
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To: BurbankKarl

Once she died, she lost her right to vote. Sorry, dude. She also can't collect Social Security.


6 posted on 01/07/2005 10:17:27 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Annoying wussies since 1965)
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To: BurbankKarl

Gogol's DEAD SOULS had to do with buying the souls of dead Russian serfs. A tax scam as I recall.


7 posted on 01/07/2005 10:19:07 AM PST by aroostook war
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To: ClearCase_guy

And Grandma would want you to have a new car, too.


8 posted on 01/07/2005 10:20:26 AM PST by MeanWestTexan
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To: BurbankKarl
This is from a MP-I article on dead voters:

Bob Holmgren said yesterday that he voted on behalf of his late wife, Charlette Holmgren, who died Sept. 29. The West Seattle man filled out his own ballot and hers, and signed both of them.

"Her vote was important to her," Holmgren said. "She was very strongly against Governor-elect Gregoire." Election officials said all signatures on absentee ballots were doubled-checked against the signature on record.

I don't claim that Republicans are saints who would never, ever, ever cheat, but this guy sure talks like a Democrat.

9 posted on 01/07/2005 10:21:40 AM PST by ScottFromSpokane (We're none of us prefect.)
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Voting by dead people isn't always a scam.

Or: Voting for dead people is always illegal.

Guess it depends on which side of the fraud you're on.

10 posted on 01/07/2005 10:22:29 AM PST by D-fendr
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To: Darkwolf377
Once she died, she lost her right to vote.

Not under the new and improved Dimwit rules. In 2000, Carnahan died in a plane crash. Thus, he was ineligible weeks later to be elected U.S. Senator from the State of Misery. Didn't stop the MSM and Dimwits from announcing that Carnahan was the widow and the Dimwit governor from giving the seat to his widow.

11 posted on 01/07/2005 10:22:31 AM PST by peyton randolph (CAIR supports TROP terrorists)
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To: BurbankKarl
Voting by dead people isn't always a scam

But forging a signature on a ballot is, which should make the ballot invalid and the perp should be charged, period.

12 posted on 01/07/2005 10:23:15 AM PST by b4its2late (Liberals are good examples of why some animals eat their young.)
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To: BurbankKarl

The bottom line is that if Rossi had won, the press would have a radically different perspective on what constitutes voter fraud. There are laws against signing other peoples' names on official documents. Period.


13 posted on 01/07/2005 10:25:01 AM PST by Spok
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To: BurbankKarl
Some voters, he said, may have taken advantage. "The emotion over this presidential race exceeded any other race I've seen. People felt like it was a holy crusade, either anti-Bush or pro-Bush. When people get that emotional, and temptation is in front of them, well ... "

The temptation results from all the boons and banes that government hands out. If the handouts were eliminated, the temptation would evaporate. Ergo, the love of government is the root of [much] evil.

14 posted on 01/07/2005 10:28:21 AM PST by yatros from flatwater (Tzedek, Tzedek...)
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To: SandyInSeattle
Forging a ballot is illegal, period.

Boy, are you an intolerant, insensitive, racist, bigoted, homophobic, reactionary!

(welcome to the club)

15 posted on 01/07/2005 10:30:06 AM PST by CharliefromKS
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To: peyton randolph
Don't forget the Patsy Mink candidacy in Hawaii. She died, and the Democrats wanted to keep her name on the ballot as a "Democrat to be named later" vote. This was happening while simultaneously trying to remove Robert Torricelli from the ballot in New Jersey, claiming that the voters needed a competitive election to be fair.

-PJ

16 posted on 01/07/2005 10:30:28 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

Thanks for the reminder about the Mink stink. The law doesn't apply to the Dimwit Party. Even when it does, an activist judge will rule otherwise.


17 posted on 01/07/2005 10:35:01 AM PST by peyton randolph (CAIR supports TROP terrorists)
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To: BurbankKarl
I recall and old Texas story (true or not , I do not know )
Where early in LBJ's political career,
he and a assistant were going through a
cemetery coping name off the headstones.

As the story goes, the assistant walked past a grave without noting the occupants particulars, at which time LBJ yell out to him.. "Hey , he's got a right to vote for me too !!"
18 posted on 01/07/2005 10:35:56 AM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: peyton randolph

bttt


19 posted on 01/07/2005 10:35:58 AM PST by malia (a cherished constitutional right -- the right to vote!)
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To: BurbankKarl
Nationally, there is rich lore about dead voters, said election reform expert Doug Chapin, citing an old joke from Boston about voters wanting to be buried in specific city boroughs to have their voting rights live on.

My favorite one was about the two guys who went to a graveyard to collect names to add to the voter registrar. After a while, they came upon a tombstone that had been overgrown with plants and moss, and it was difficult to read the name. One of the men said, "C'mon, let's move on..." but the other guy knelt in front of the tombstone and cleaned it off to reveal the name and copy it down, saying, "Hey, this guy has as much right to vote as everyone else here!"
20 posted on 01/07/2005 10:40:30 AM PST by Stone Mountain
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