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eddriscoll.com ^ | 24-Dec-2004 | Ed Driscoll

Posted on 01/04/2005 3:00:22 AM PST by stainlessbanner

Talk about a tempest in a teacup (that's had a shot of Southern Comfort poured in it). I was clicking through the Internet Movie Database, when I came across this thread, which begins with an African-American moviegoer absolutely unloading on the upcoming remake of The Dukes of Hazzard.

Like all recent Hollywood big screen remakes of '70s TV shows, the finished product will of course, be somewhere between mediocre and craptacular, and quickly forgotten. But as the readers of the IMDB illustrated, adapting the Dukes presents a special challenge to its filmmakers, the Wall Street Journal reports (subscription may be required):

It's hard to imagine "Dukes" without the General Lee. One survey of nearly 10,000 car enthusiasts by Hagerty Insurance, a Traverse City, Mich., specialist in the car-collector market, ranks it No. 1 in popularity, besting the 1968 Ford Mustang driven by Steve McQueen in "Bullitt," the Batmobile and James Bond's Aston Martin DB5.

Star of the new Dukes of Hazzard, the General Lee

The Internet has sites devoted to the General Lee, and the latest "Dukes of Hazzard" videogame, released in October, was titled "Return of the General Lee." Separately, DaimlerChrysler plans to revive the Charger nameplate with a new model next year.

Despite the car's enduring popularity, Warner Bros. executives were concerned about it -- or more specifically, about the giant Confederate flag painted on the roof of the Dukes' Dodge, a person involved with the film's production said. Some studio executives were afraid that a lot of potential viewers would see it as nostalgia for the old segregationist South.

The filmmakers' dilemma about how to handle the car shows the pitfalls of Hollywood's penchant for turning beloved TV shows into films -- something the industry has done regularly in recent years, from "S.W.A.T." in 2003 to this year's "Starsky & Hutch." A few decades can turn a joke into something dated and offensive. But studios keep dredging up the old shows, and must tread a line between offending modern viewers and alienating the old fan base by tweaking the old show too much.


In the case of "Hazzard," the show was wildly popular: No. 1 in its time slot for six of seven seasons, beginning in 1979. "I don't remember any problems about the car," says Alan Shayne, then the head of Warner Bros. TV. "It was a spoof." Licensed merchandise connected to the General Lee generated more than $100 million in retail sales. But in the 19 years since the series was canceled, battles over the Confederate flag have grown more bitter: Georgia debated dropping the "stars and bars" insignia from its state flag for years before finally doing so in 2003. Recently, a Kentucky teenager sued her school district for barring her from a prom because she was wearing a dress styled as a Confederate battle flag.

Youth Appeal

The filmmakers didn't want to alienate any segment of the younger audience they sought for this major summer release. The movie, to come out next summer, stars three actors popular with teens and twentysomethings: Seann William Scott (of the "American Pie" films and "The Rundown"), Johnny Knoxville (one of the creators and host of the "Jackass" TV series and movie), plus MTV celebrity and publicity-swamped singer Jessica Simpson in her feature-film debut. The movie's Southern pedigree will get a boost from cast members Burt Reynolds and Willie Nelson.

The filmmakers fretted they'd lose the show's spirit and anger old fans by ditching the flag and the car's name (or the horn, which honks "Dixie"). So they struck a compromise with the studio: Show the flag, but include scenes where it's derided as an inappropriate symbol of the dark past, the person involved in the film said.

In the movie, a mechanic paints the flag on the roof of the car when it's being refurbished. A draft of the film's script has the Duke cousins, unaware of the flag's presence, trying to figure out why they're sometimes jeered, at other times cheered as they drive around. (The final release may vary, since scripts are subject to change during shooting, which is under way.)

Eventually, the Dukes pull into a college town and meet a group of African-American students. When Bo Duke asks them for directions, they stare in disbelief at the car. One of them asks, "Is this a joke? Some kind of reality show?" Bo doesn't understand why they're upset, and replies he thinks the flag is "cool." He explains that his friend Cooter, "a Civil War buff," repaired the car and painted on the flag.

It takes the savvier Luke to size up the situation and explain to Bo that some people find the flag "offensive... a symbol of slavery." Bo protests, "I don't want to oppress anybody," and his cousin affirms this. That's apparently enough to persuade the African-American students Bo is not a bigot. "No sweat," says a student, who lets him park the car.

A representative for Warner Bros. said the filmmakers intend to feature the Confederate flag on the Dodge Charger in a context that is "tongue in cheek," but added that studio executives weren't available for further comment.No word yet if Howard Dean will have a cameo.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: battleflag; charger; confederacy; confederate; dammyankee; dixie; dukes; flag; general; hazzard; lee; movie
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1 posted on 01/04/2005 3:00:23 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: cyborg

DoH bump


2 posted on 01/04/2005 3:03:55 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: nolu chan; sionnsar; Free Trapper; dcwusmc; Wampus SC; Fiddlstix; Southron Patriot; ...

bump


3 posted on 01/04/2005 3:07:24 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner
It will SUCK if this is the kind of crap they are dealing with... do the Brits complain about the various flags they have? Isn't the Union Jack a symbol of opium-dealing and shooting of Indians in Gandhi's time?

I suggest the remainder of this thread be dedicated to making up a new word which will be sufficiently derogatory for the film.

BTW, it's easy to solve the problem - when someone complains, just say, "yeah, but the problems in the past were when this state was run by KKK members who were Democrats."

4 posted on 01/04/2005 3:20:21 AM PST by ikka
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To: stainlessbanner

good gawd, they are destroying the movie for PC purposes.


5 posted on 01/04/2005 4:00:05 AM PST by GeronL (I am NOT the real bin Laden)
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To: GeronL; ikka

Subtitle: Dukes teach Diversity


6 posted on 01/04/2005 4:04:27 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner

do they think thats subtle or something?


7 posted on 01/04/2005 4:05:05 AM PST by GeronL (I am NOT the real bin Laden)
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To: stainlessbanner
"craptacular" LOL

The only saving grace is that no one will see this "craptacular" movie.

8 posted on 01/04/2005 4:41:49 AM PST by aardvark1 (Something was seared in my memory but I forgot what it was.)
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To: GeronL
Just a bunch of lib's, trying to push a lib agenda to create more libs. Destined to fail.

I thought to whole idea was entertainment, silly me.

Making a stinker movie by being politically correct, and expecting people to pay to see it?

Guess it will have an early DVD release with an "uncut" version" with lots of out takes. It will then only get rented by those who want to watch Simpleson in short shorts anyway.... lol

9 posted on 01/04/2005 4:45:24 AM PST by BB2
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To: stainlessbanner

I will not be s'prised if the PC crowd doesn't insist upon the so called Dukes Never referring to their hotwheels as "Gen.Lee" The stars and bars on the roof can
always be shot around -but to mention that rebel leader?
Oh the shock and awe.
I suspect one Reason Gods and Generals was so reviled was not that the producers portrayed Southern leaders as
Christians(NO doubt Gen.Lee was) But that they portayed them
as human. Most of those who protest the Stars and Bars seem
more likely to treat the families of those who attacked us
on 9-11-01 more favorably than any son of the South.


10 posted on 01/04/2005 4:47:51 AM PST by StonyBurk
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To: stainlessbanner
Georgia debated dropping the "stars and bars" insignia from its state flag for years before finally doing so in 2003

Yikes, both P.C. garbage and inaccuracy all in one article.

R.E. the above, I am sure that the assembled FReepers will not need this limey to point out that Georgia did not remove the Stars and Bars, rather they shrank the Southern Cross past all recognition in 2003, and then switched to the Stars and Bars (as it now stands).

To have the Dukes of Hazzard without the flag, Dixie, or the General Lee is mindless. I remember one episode of the real thing where they are creating a fake double for the General; Daisy asks to paint the flag on declaring loudly 'I just love that flag'.

If they want to create a crappy film which ridicules the South, and will inevitably flop under the weight of its own patronising obesity, then let them do so, just don't tarnish the D.o.H. with it.
11 posted on 01/04/2005 4:54:55 AM PST by tjwmason ("For he himself has said it, And it's greatly to his credit, That he is an Englishman!")
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To: stainlessbanner

They can't make up their minds! LOL


12 posted on 01/04/2005 5:43:56 AM PST by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: aardvark1
"Craptacular" was Bart Simpson's description of his father's Christmas decorations a couple of seasons ago. Somehow, it seems to fit this movie as well...

Deo Vindice!
13 posted on 01/04/2005 6:11:55 AM PST by RebelBanker (To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women!)
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To: TheBigB

Daisy Dukes bump


14 posted on 01/04/2005 7:15:14 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner

Go Daisy! :o)
I guess some folks make a living out of being offended.
It's a movie about a TV show for crying out loud.


15 posted on 01/04/2005 7:38:57 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Grateful Heart Tour 2005)
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To: stainlessbanner
I think Jess fills out them Daisy Dukes pretty well.

16 posted on 01/04/2005 7:47:23 AM PST by TheBigB ("Eat my rubber!"--Clark W. Griswold, Jr.)
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To: stainlessbanner
IDIOTS!

PC IDIOTS.

nothing more,nothing less!

free dixie,sw

17 posted on 01/04/2005 8:12:54 AM PST by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: cyborg
PC IDIOTS rule hollyWIERD!

free dixie,sw

18 posted on 01/04/2005 8:26:04 AM PST by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: stainlessbanner
[story, quoting Wall Street Journal] But in the 19 years since the series was canceled, battles over the Confederate flag have grown more bitter: Georgia debated dropping the "stars and bars" insignia from its state flag for years before finally doing so in 2003. [Emphasis supplied.]

No, it didn't. The governor did it in a back room, overnight, at two in the morning, after the elections were over.

And no, it isn't the "Stars and Bars", it's the Battle Flag.

The "Stars and Bars" is the Confederate First National. The "Southern Cross" is a constellation. The Battle Flag is the Battle Flag.

The rectangular version commonly seen is the Battle Flag of the Army of Tennessee. The square version with twelve stars (usually bunched toward the crux) and a white border is the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia. There are other versions as well, including one with the colors reversed that was used in the Trans-Mississippi Department.

The Wall Street Journal needs to bone up on the issue before the editors opine about it.

19 posted on 01/05/2005 3:46:57 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: RebelBanker

Bart Simpson, eh? I guess it shows that I watch the wrong TV.


20 posted on 01/05/2005 4:01:11 AM PST by aardvark1 (Something was seared in my memory but I forgot what it was.)
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