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Are the Democrats Headed to "Permanent" Minority Status in the US House of Representatives?
Torie | January 2, 2005 | Torie

Posted on 01/02/2005 5:13:17 PM PST by Torie

The Republicans in the new Congress will hold 232 seats, and the Dems 203. But Bush country held sway in 254 congressional districts per my estimate, which I think has very little margin of error at this point (maybe 255), with Kerry carrying only 181 (maybe 180 depending how CD NC 13 went) congressional districts. (Bush carried 40 CD's that Dem congressmen hold, while Kerry won 18 CD's that GOP congressmen hold.) Moreover, there are 13 seats the Dems will hold in the new Congress which Bush won by 10% or more, or close to it. How many seats are there held by the GOP that Kerry won by more than 10%? Just ONE I think, the Leach seat in Iowa.

In short, the GOP has more upside potential than the Dems all things being equal in the House, even from their currently relatively lofty plateau. It appears that as long as the Dems and the law requires the carving out of minority districts, and assuming the GOP in a few places can get its slug of Hispanic votes, the Dems are not going to be competitive in the House, now and "forever," unless the partisan tide is really swinging their way.

It used to be that the Dems seemed to have a permanent lock on the House. Now the equation has flipped the other way. How times have changed.


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1 posted on 01/02/2005 5:13:17 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie

We can only hope...


2 posted on 01/02/2005 5:15:07 PM PST by GW and Twins Pawpaw (Sheepdog for Five [My grandkids are way more important than any lefty's feelings!])
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To: Torie

Not so fast the republicans now vote and spend just like democrats as does GWB.


3 posted on 01/02/2005 5:15:44 PM PST by claptrap (Recent republican votes leave me wondering if they are all just republicrats!)
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To: Torie
Are the Democrats Headed to "Permanent" Minority Status in the US House of Representatives?

Not if we keep sending RINOs to Congress who side with the Democrats more than they do with us.

4 posted on 01/02/2005 5:17:23 PM PST by Prime Choice (No...my powers can only be used for Good.)
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To: claptrap

One possible result: the Democrats will wither away, and then someone will start a new party to the right of the Republicans.


5 posted on 01/02/2005 5:17:36 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: Torie
No. Just the other day someone posted an article "showing" how all these wins were big trouble for the Republicans, how winning larger majorities in both houses and having a republican about to start a second term as president and the defeat of liberal ballot questions were all bad news. That one must be true, it makes so much sense. Nope, we're doomed, the dems almsot have it all...we're doomed...

So is it possible to see a smirk over the internet...?

6 posted on 01/02/2005 5:18:20 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Rand-ie, you're a fine girl)
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To: Torie

Hopefully but we have a way of "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory".


7 posted on 01/02/2005 5:21:13 PM PST by carlr
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To: Darkwolf377

And did that "special someone" get zotted?

One can indeed see a smirk over the Internet! I saw you smirking as you posted that! (Or maybe it's the Miller Light I'm presently consuming...)


8 posted on 01/02/2005 5:21:34 PM PST by Theresawithanh
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To: Prime Choice

Without "RINO's" in "your" tent, it would be YOU in permanent minority status.


9 posted on 01/02/2005 5:22:54 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie

Is this really a year old, or was that a typo?


10 posted on 01/02/2005 5:23:01 PM PST by konaice (Doink Doink!)
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To: Torie

You make some great points. Then, I think you answered your own question in the last sentence: At one time, the Democratic "lock" on the House seemed permanent. Yet the Democrats managed to lose control through a series of bad blunders brought on my hubris. If Republicans get too cocky and out of touch with their voters, their "permanent" hold on the House will vanish very fast.

Majority parties seem to have a habit of getting sloppy and cocky when they've been in power too long. Look at the Conservative party in the UK -- like Republicans here, they too were once flying high. Then they lost it all.


11 posted on 01/02/2005 5:23:19 PM PST by 68skylark
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To: konaice; Admin Moderator

LOL. It's hot off the press; I just typed it. Moderator, can you clean up that mis-dating mess?


12 posted on 01/02/2005 5:24:18 PM PST by Torie
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To: Theresawithanh
I don't think the zot was applied, as the poster intended the article as an example of the delusions overtaking the left.

Trying not to be partisan, I think the republicans have an opportunity to govern more conservatively, because I don't think the dems have a snowball's chance for at least a decade of taking the congress and the white house. I think the unwritten story of the last two election cycles is how 9-11 is and will impact politics in ways Vietnam can't even compare with.

13 posted on 01/02/2005 5:24:22 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Rand-ie, you're a fine girl)
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To: GW and Twins Pawpaw; Torie
Are the Democrats Headed to "Permanent" Minority Status in the US House of Representatives? >>

Then hold on to your wallets, seems the pubs are like little children loose in the candy store. They just passed a $385 billion pork-barrel package, which is only the beginning, and had to entice the Conservatives to vote for it by attaching the Hyde-Weldon abortion non-discrimination provision to it.

How about a human life amendment and instead of a no child left behind program, how about getting rid of the Dept. of Ed. and leaving education up to the states and the local school boards. I just hope the pubs start becoming the party of budget cuts and smaller government.

14 posted on 01/02/2005 5:26:02 PM PST by Coleus (Let us pray for the 125,000 + victims of the tsunami and the 126,000 aborted Children killed daily)
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To: 68skylark
The main difference in the mix is the mandate for carving out minority districts. That is a very heavy anchor for the Dems to have to float their boat with. It just corrals too many Dems in too few districts. Maybe as the math sets in, the Dems and the Courts will junk it all, since it just isn't furthering their agenda. Stay tuned.
15 posted on 01/02/2005 5:26:57 PM PST by Torie
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To: Darkwolf377

"how 9-11 is and will impact politics in ways Vietnam can't even compare with."

I would venture to say that you are right on!

Whether Republicans will take the opportunity to govern more conservatively is another question. I hope you are right on that score.


16 posted on 01/02/2005 5:29:03 PM PST by Theresawithanh
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To: 68skylark

(Majority parties seem to have a habit of getting sloppy and cocky when they've been in power too long. Look at the Conservative party in the UK -- like Republicans here, they too were once flying high. Then they lost it all.)

One way to prevent this is to save democracy itself by challenging the crazy gerrymandering that seems to happen anywhere. It is not healthy for 98% of Congressmen to be re-elected. Whether they are Democrats or Republicans, they almost always become more liberal and more "porky" the longer they "serve" in Congress. Since Democrats are the minority party now, this presents a huge opportunity to get it done (since they would want Congress turnover to at least have a chance). If that happens, this will force Congressmen to stay in touch with who they're representing.


17 posted on 01/02/2005 5:29:54 PM PST by winner3000
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To: Torie
Without "RINO's" in "your" tent, it would be YOU in permanent minority status.

Bah. It's thanks to RINOs that a number of key platforms (less spending, less gun control, more conservative judges) have never come to pass. RINOs are not an asset. They are a boil on the ass of the party.

18 posted on 01/02/2005 5:34:26 PM PST by Prime Choice (No...my powers can only be used for Good.)
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To: winner3000
I think you're probably right. If congressional district lines were drawn by some kind of nonpartisan process, I don't know if that would help the left or right. But it would probably be healthy for our democracy.

(Even with nonpartisan boundaries, there would still be tons of safe seats, wouldn't there? Anyone elected from my part of rural Indiana is certain to be a Republican. Anyone elected from Manhattan or San Francisco is sure to be a Democrat. Right? So the effect of nonpartisan districts might be rather small.)
19 posted on 01/02/2005 5:34:38 PM PST by 68skylark
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To: Coleus

I agree the Rs spend too much but I am much happier with them in the majority as opposed to the dimbos. Having said that, my view is that we need wholesale cuts in our spending except for infrastructure and defense. Everything else is fair game for massive cuts or outright elimination.


20 posted on 01/02/2005 5:36:35 PM PST by GW and Twins Pawpaw (Sheepdog for Five [My grandkids are way more important than any lefty's feelings!])
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