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Terrorist Fears Over Laser Attacks On Seven Planes
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 1-01-2005 | Tom Leonard

Posted on 12/31/2004 6:44:09 PM PST by blam

Terrorist fears over laser attacks on seven planes

By Tom Leonard in New York
(Filed: 01/01/2005)

The FBI is investigating reports that laser beams have been directed into the cockpits of seven aircraft flying over America since Christmas, amid fears that terrorists could use them to blind or disorientate pilots.

Crews have reported two incidents in Colorado Springs and one each in Cleveland, Washington, Houston, Teterboro, New Jersey, and Medford, Oregon. All the planes landed safely.

Pilots are not convinced by reports that federal investigators have found no evidence of terrorist involvement.

"It's not some kid, it's too organised," said Paul Rancatore, the deputy chairman of the security committee for the Allied Pilots Association. Loren Thompson, who teaches military technology at Georgetown University in Washington DC, said: "What we're talking about is a fairly powerful visible light laser that has the ability to lock on to a fast-moving aircraft.

"That's not the sort of thing you pick up at a military surplus store," he added. "It sounds like an organised effort to cause airline accidents."

Pilots and safety officials have been concerned for some time about the dangers of laser light shows, which have caused temporary eye injuries to several pilots in the past decade.

A recent study commissioned by the Federal Aviation Administration concluded that "a laser attack could be quickly deployed and withdrawn, leaving no obvious collateral damage or projectile residue, and would be difficult to detect and defend against".


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: airlinesecurity; attacks; fears; laser; over; planes; seven; terrorist

1 posted on 12/31/2004 6:44:09 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

there is cause for real concern on this one


2 posted on 12/31/2004 6:47:19 PM PST by kingattax
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To: blam

For the record, I just don't believe this story at all. It might have happend once - maybe - to the first one that reported it. After that, everybody was just all freaked out and every time the pilots caught a bit of light out of the corner of their eye they assumed it was a laser.


3 posted on 12/31/2004 6:48:33 PM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: blam
It's not some kid, it's too organised," said Paul Rancatore.

Whew...that's a relief...


4 posted on 12/31/2004 6:50:45 PM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: blam

re russians lasering US pilot:

http://www.judicialwatch.org/printer_2588.shtml


5 posted on 12/31/2004 7:18:15 PM PST by japaneseghost
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To: blam

Might it be "sighting in"


6 posted on 12/31/2004 7:20:11 PM PST by montanajoe
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To: blam
""That's not the sort of thing you pick up at a military surplus store," he added. "It sounds like an organised effort to cause airline accidents.""

This whole thing is overblown. No one had a tracking device. Back in college I had a laser pointer mounted to a pair of binoculars. I could have easily tracked an airplane with those. People overestimate the technology needed to perform a simple task.

7 posted on 12/31/2004 7:33:49 PM PST by Oblongata
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To: japaneseghost
"re russians lasering US pilot: "

Yup, I know about that.

Can't they install some type of light filter in the cockpits?

8 posted on 12/31/2004 8:01:04 PM PST by blam
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To: Oblongata

Just like people tend to overestimate the power of their laser pointers.

These attacks have taken place at altitude - not on approach - so please explain where you'd find some innocent person with a visible laser with enough power to cause temporary blindness at 30-40,000' (and be shining the laser downwards)? The only lasers that exist with enough power but are still visible are generally targeting lasers - once again not exactly innocent use.

Commercial pilots are NOT exactly easily excited. (Any multi-engine rated IFR pilot is difficult to shake.) To suggest this is some form of mass hysteria is ridiculous, and an insult to professional pilots from someone who obviously doesn't have a pilot's license.


9 posted on 12/31/2004 8:10:53 PM PST by datura (Destroy The UN, the MSM, and China. The rest will fall into line once we get rid of these.)
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To: blam

Yes, cockpit crewmembers could wear eye protection specifically for lasers.

Seven incidents since X-Mas is significant, and points to rehearsals. I wonder what nations have launched satellites recently with on board lasers.


10 posted on 12/31/2004 8:16:17 PM PST by datura (Destroy The UN, the MSM, and China. The rest will fall into line once we get rid of these.)
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To: Rodney King
For the record, your reply is asinine.
11 posted on 12/31/2004 8:18:11 PM PST by datura (Destroy The UN, the MSM, and China. The rest will fall into line once we get rid of these.)
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To: blam

It's interesting. The terrorists obviously read Tom Clancy. The planes as flying bombs and the lasers into the cockpit are both plot lines out of Clancy novels.


12 posted on 12/31/2004 8:31:52 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: datura
"(and be shining the laser downwards)? "

How do you know they're shining downward...that's not in the article?

13 posted on 12/31/2004 8:58:45 PM PST by blam
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To: datura
"Seven incidents since X-Mas is significant, and points to rehearsals."

And, apparently we only know about their successes, huh?

14 posted on 12/31/2004 9:01:51 PM PST by blam
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To: ModelBreaker
" The planes as flying bombs and the lasers into the cockpit are both plot lines out of Clancy novels."

Debt Of Honor, what is the other?

15 posted on 12/31/2004 9:04:21 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

Actually, both scenarios come from that book. Besides the JAL pilot suiciding into the Capitol Building at the end of the book, the two CIA agents use a powerful strobe light (I don't think it was a laser) to blind the flight crews of Japanese Air Defense Force AWACS during landings/takeoffs, thereby causing them to crash. They also the light weapon in the beginning of the book to help kill a Clancy equivalent of Somalia's Aidid.


16 posted on 12/31/2004 10:10:52 PM PST by LenS
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To: blam
Debt Of Honor, what is the other?

Both are from Debt of Honor. Special Forces infiltrate Japan and bring down one of their 747's with a radar dome by shining a laser into the eyes of the pilots when it is landing.

17 posted on 12/31/2004 11:24:53 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: datura

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18 posted on 12/31/2004 11:41:13 PM PST by idkfa
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To: datura
For the record, your reply is asinine.

Why? Do you have any idea how strong of a laser and how accurate of a tracking system would be needed to accomplish this? And why would anyone go through all of that trouble and spend the millions it would take to build a whole bunch of them for them to then not do anything? Ya know, it's ok to use logic sometimes rather than to post out of emotionalism.

19 posted on 01/01/2005 6:52:19 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: idkfa

Does anyone know how long laser blindness lasts? In this article it reads it can be permeanent and untreatable, and then mentions temporary blindness.


20 posted on 01/01/2005 6:59:37 AM PST by Toespi
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