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Islamist Extremism in Europe Greatest Danger
The Daily Times [Lahore, Pakistan] ^ | December 16, 2004 | Khalid Hasan

Posted on 12/15/2004 6:28:31 PM PST by quidnunc

The greatest danger to the West from Islamist extremists is now centred in Europe, not the Middle East, according to two experts.

A panel discussion held at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), which featured Martin Walker, chief editor of UPI, and Marc Ginsberg, a former US ambassador, was moderated by Arnaud de Borchgrave, who frequently writes on the subject of Islamist extremism.

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Martin Walker, formerly of the Guardian, London, said if Turkey got admitted to the European Union, the number of Muslims in Europe would jump from three percent to 20 percent which would have a dramatic political and social impact on the Continent. While most European Muslims were reasonable people, he said, and “EuroIslam” was liberal and democratic, the extremist elements had a very different worldview and a very different agenda. He said the increase in Muslim populations in Europe had serious implications. For instance, even today there were 72 Labour Party seats in Britain that were dependent on the Pakistani and Bangladeshi vote. In France, the French Socialist Party was out to woo the Muslim vote in order to win seats. The number of conversions to Islam in European prisons was on the rise and in Holland there was a “state of incipient civil war,” as one Dutch writer had put it. It was clear, he said, that the ideal of multicultural Europe had come unstuck. It was a policy failure. He said Muslim customs, such as “honour killings,” had been reported from different European countries, a large percentage of them from Britain. In the last 10 years, there had been 110 “honour killings” in Britain, according to British authorities. He said the Tableeghi Jamaat was active in Europe.

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1 posted on 12/15/2004 6:28:31 PM PST by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc
The greatest danger to the West from Islamist extremists is now centred in Europe, not the Middle East, according to two experts.

The greatest danger is that Europeans are too lazy and godless to have children. Empty space will be filled.

2 posted on 12/15/2004 6:34:52 PM PST by A. Pole ("For the love of money is the root of all evil" -- II Timothy 6:10)
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To: quidnunc
"The greatest danger to the West from Islamist extremists is now centred in Europe, not the Middle East, according to two experts."

And guess who will be expected to come riding in to save their sorry asses yet again? As far as I'm concerned, if such an attack occurs in Spain, Germany, France, or Russia, we shouldn't lift a hand or flip a single nickle to help these LOSERS. And mark my words: the Islamanazi's will press their game where they expect the least amount of resistance. The above mentioned countries which appeased the Islam Pigs will be the first struck, because they are weak infidels.

3 posted on 12/15/2004 6:36:04 PM PST by yooper (If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there......)
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To: quidnunc
Excellent post...Marc Ginsberg is always a favorite.

To use an old bedouin adage, Islam in Europe is "like a camel's nose in the tent."

It won't be long before the whole camel in inside...

No slur intended toward camels...actually no insult intended for Muslims...

Islam on the other hand wants the rest of us dead...and that ain't gonna happen.

4 posted on 12/15/2004 6:39:21 PM PST by weenie ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: A. Pole

Honour killings?

These people have no idea what honour means.


5 posted on 12/15/2004 6:43:56 PM PST by JCBurton
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To: quidnunc
In the last 10 years, there had been 110 “honour killings” in Britain

Please tell me what Islam knows of "honor."

Islam is so tilted toward lying and deceit that Muslim fathers kill their little girls to protect, not the truth, but the false image of honor.

Where is the honor in that?

7 posted on 12/15/2004 6:44:49 PM PST by weenie ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: quidnunc

I'm so relieved to be an American. In 2050, we'll be looking at a predominantly Islamic Europe. Thanks to liberal multiculturalism, the Muslims are achieving what they tried, and failed, to do 1200 years ago. In the past, the strong and noble Europeans were willing to stand up and fight for their culture. Their decadent decendents, brainwashed by years of secular humanism are cowardly capitulating to the Islamic Reconquista. Tragic really. I hope and pray the American people will never let it happen here!


8 posted on 12/15/2004 6:46:25 PM PST by marsh_of_mists
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To: marsh_of_mists

Time to Lock and Load my Friend, they are here and they are going to try to make it happen. In 2050, where will America be, What will America be?! If all of Europe is integrated with the Muslims, and we have OPEN BORDERS!! Will We still Be or will we be a Memory!! We better start having more children.... I'll explain this to my wife tonight.


9 posted on 12/15/2004 7:01:14 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Defending America)
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To: JCBurton

Honour killings?

These people have no idea what honour means.

Any idea what an "honour killing" is?


10 posted on 12/15/2004 7:05:46 PM PST by Ethyl (when)
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To: Ethyl
Any idea what an "honour killing" is?

This is a complicated matter...words can't really express...

In the Muslim world, an honour killing is when you either...

(1)kill the imam for buggering your camel or goat.

(2)kill the imam for trying to bugger your eldest boy, Rahman...

or,(3) less preferred meaning, you just kill the imam.

11 posted on 12/15/2004 7:15:14 PM PST by weenie ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Ethyl
An honor killing is when a daughter "betray's the family's honor" usually through pre-marital sex, not marrying who the family says she should, or comes up pregnant outside of marriage.

Revolting stuff. Fathers/brothers butcher the young girls and sharia law says its just fine.

12 posted on 12/15/2004 7:43:44 PM PST by America's Resolve (awarforeurabia.blogspot.com - Watching the war for Europe)
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To: Ethyl
An honor killing is when a daughter "betray's the family's honor" usually through pre-marital sex, not marrying who the family says she should, or comes up pregnant outside of marriage.

Revolting stuff. Fathers/brothers butcher the young girls and sharia law says its just fine.

13 posted on 12/15/2004 7:44:20 PM PST by America's Resolve (awarforeurabia.blogspot.com - Watching the war for Europe)
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dont you dare put my beloved Russia in there. They are making progress. Growthrate is being incentived & borders are completely shut. The allowance for legal workers is 252k (thats not even to apply for citizenship but to be allowed a work permit for work) Russia is moving along the lines of Austria except with a twist that its impossible to get citizenship unless you get married or are related to someone. They are trying to go back to roots like big families.

Illigals are a major problem though mostly from former republics but the biggest problem is Chinese although lately they have been handling them fairly well. Rounding up thousands and sending them back. I think 2-2.5 mil illigal chinese. ?


14 posted on 12/15/2004 7:45:27 PM PST by eluminate
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To: America's Resolve

Thanks to Weenie and America's resolve, I see both have to do with killing, look out imams and young women, always guard your camel and goat.


15 posted on 12/15/2004 7:54:07 PM PST by Ethyl (when)
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To: quidnunc
"Islamist Extremism in Europe Greatest Danger"

Actually, the title should read:

"Islam is Europe's Greatest Danger" Trying to separate the extremists from the rank and file is like trying to separate someone who murders on Monday from someone who plans to murder on Tuesday.
16 posted on 12/15/2004 8:00:32 PM PST by BobL
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To: Ethyl
Sorry for being flip...I thought you probably knew what honour killings were...

They are heart breaking...and have nothing to do with honour...or with love.

Like Islam, honour killings only address appearances (lies)...not truth.

17 posted on 12/15/2004 8:09:46 PM PST by weenie ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: marsh_of_mists

Don't you believe it! The guys who fight at football games will be more than happy to take on the Islamists if things deteriorate too far. The politicians on the other hand....


18 posted on 12/15/2004 8:15:54 PM PST by expatpat
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To: weenie

Muslims, mankinds "killer bees"..


19 posted on 12/15/2004 8:42:02 PM PST by ChEng
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To: ChEng
Muslims are like crack addicts...they can't help it...it's Islam.

But how the h*ll do we get off it?

20 posted on 12/15/2004 8:43:48 PM PST by weenie ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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