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Intel Bill Missing Key Recommendations of 9/11 Commission (Sensenbrenner: 'worse than current law')
Human Events Online ^ | December 8, 2004 | Rep. Joe Pitts

Posted on 12/08/2004 8:58:44 AM PST by hinterlander

Text of press release from the office of Rep. Joe Pitts:

Washington -- Congressman Joe Pitts (R, PA-16) called S. 2845 National Intelligence Reform Act of 2004 good, but incomplete. The legislation, modeled after the recommendations made by the 9/11 Commission, outlines an overhaul of the U.S. intelligence community. Congressman Pitts opposed the bill which passed the House this evening. He issued the following statement outlining his concerns with the bill.

"The purpose of this bill was to enact the 9/11 Commission's most important recommendations," said Congressman Pitts. "The House version did just that, and I voted for it. This House-Senate compromise, however, leaves the job half done. I voted against it because I just don't feel it's right to leave a job this important unfinished. What's in the bill is good, but the bill is incomplete."

Both the House and Senate passed competing versions of this legislation earlier this year. Negotiations over the bill stalled last month over two sticking points: access to intelligence for military commanders on the battlefield and the ability of illegal immigrants to obtain legal drivers licenses.

The House bill included a provision clarifying that the establishment of a Director of National Intelligence should not be construed to preempt the ability of soldiers on the battlefield to access real-time intelligence. The House bill also included provisions that prevented illegal immigrants from obtaining drivers' licenses and put in place stricter asylum standards, problems identified by the 9/11 Commission as glaring weaknesses in our nation's defenses.

"I'm pleased that the final product protected the access soldiers have to the information they need to win. But the Senate seems intent on ignoring some key points the Commission addressed - the ability of terrorists to get into the country, obtain identification, and abuse asylum rules in order to stay here. The 19 9/11 hijackers had 63 legally-obtained drivers' licenses among them. Mohammed Atta got a speeding ticket two weeks before he crashed a plane in the World Trade Center and was due in court shortly after the attacks. He had a legal driver's license!

"Because Senate negotiators won out on this provision the bill is much weaker. It's our responsibility to finish the job. We will work to make sure the House does so. But I'm concerned the Senate will never address these important issues. That's just wrong and I hope the American people tell them that," said Congressman Pitts.

A summary of S. 2845 is available at GOP.gov.



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; borders; bordersecurity; driver; illegals; immigration; inelligencereform; intelligence; intelligencebill; licenses; pitts; reform; sensenbrenner
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1 posted on 12/08/2004 8:58:45 AM PST by hinterlander
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To: hinterlander

bump


2 posted on 12/08/2004 9:04:42 AM PST by blackeagle
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To: hinterlander

Last night Jim Sensenbrenner, when asked why the Senate and White House would not consider the provisions for immigration...which the House passed in HB10 by 68%, said:

"Because they were unilling to stand up to the illegal alien lobby."

Those big money donors for MALDEF (Soros, Ford Foundation, AARP, etc), can be found at:
http://ccir.net/REFERENCE/MALDEF-2002-2003.html


3 posted on 12/08/2004 9:13:07 AM PST by AuntB (Every person who enters the U.S. illegally--from anywhere--increases the likelihood of another 9/11)
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To: AuntB

Once more, the "august body" fails us all. Caligula had the right idea: appoint his favorite farm animals to the senate.


4 posted on 12/08/2004 9:20:05 AM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Time to let slip the dogs...)
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To: AuntB; B4Ranch; farmfriend
"Because they were unwilling to stand up to the illegal alien lobby." --Sensenbrenner

Including many we would hope would do something about it: the RNC, our governors, our congress, our senate, our president, and many here on FR.

The country is burning down, and Nero fiddles.

Note: every other day of the year, the MSM wants you to forget about 9/11. But the one time a few brave members of Congress want to get immigration reform into a bill related to protecting Americans, the MSM can't stop reminding us.

5 posted on 12/08/2004 9:40:14 AM PST by risk
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To: risk

"ncluding many we would hope would do something about it: the RNC, our governors, our congress, our senate, our president, and many here on FR."

Last week there were posts here on FR from the RNC supporting keeping the immigration provisions in the bill. The house of reps passed HB10 by 68% with those provisions until they got strongarmed by the Senate and White House. As for FR, there is a tiny minority that just don't get it or profit from it. A couple are just too partisan to see the light.


6 posted on 12/08/2004 9:52:18 AM PST by AuntB (Every person who enters the U.S. illegally--from anywhere--increases the likelihood of another 9/11)
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To: AuntB
I agree that the Senate has let us down on the issue of securing our borders in this bill.

I read over the bill, and it's woefully inadequate in the section on driver's licenses. It says that all DLs must conform to the minimum requirements in the bill, and then goes on to say that federal government can't place any real requirement on to whom the DLs are issued.

Is the President bowing the the illegal immigrant lobby? Or is he simply trying to get a law passed that addresses a lot of important issues, but falls way short on others and address those other issues in other legislation?

I would have liked to see the law prohibit illegal aliens from getting DLs. At least this version does provide for UAVs to be used for border surveillance, which should significantly help with border security.

Is it more important to get this bill passed and start implementing it, or is it more important to hold up this high profile bill to pressure those in the Senate to include better restrictions on illegal immigrants?

I simply don't have enough information to answer that.
7 posted on 12/08/2004 10:05:32 AM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: untrained skeptic
"Is the President bowing the the illegal immigrant lobby?"

Bowing? Hell, from his "Amnesty Lite" proposals and other acts, he's PART of them.

8 posted on 12/08/2004 10:44:12 AM PST by Oatka
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To: Oatka
Here's the basics of Bush's plan. Read it over.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/01/20040107-1.html

The guest worker program is intended to benefit our country by allowing immigrants from Mexico to come here legally if an employer who has made every reasonable attempt to hire an American employee to fill the job openings in unable to do so.

This is combined with continued increases to beefing up our border security.

However, beefing up our border security doesn't address the 12 million illegal immigrants already here.

Rather than spending the resources to forcibly remove those people, the plan allows those already here at it's inception to apply to join the guest worker program, which gives them the chance to stay and work legally if they qualify. That's the amnesty light part.

It also allows employers to take advantage of the trained workforce that's already here.

It's definitely generous to a great number of immigrants who are here illegally.

It also something that may very well allow immigration reform to actually get enough support to get through congress.

What does it really hurt to allow people to stay that would be eligible to come back if they just returned home first.

The plan does recognize that such an approach does encourage continued illegal immigration, so after the plan gets started up, immigrants would only be able to apply from outside the US.

It ignores past violations of immigration law if the person falls under the requirements of the guest worker program, but does not continue to do so after it's inception.

You can consider that working for the illegal immigrant lobby, or you can consider that simply trying to avoid the problems involved with deporting people who aren't a threat to the US, and are productive people.

The plan comes nowhere near allowing unlimited immigration.
9 posted on 12/08/2004 11:46:38 AM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: hinterlander

I'm not interested in how many drivers' licenses they had.

I'm interested in the fact that they got into the country in the first place.


10 posted on 12/08/2004 12:35:26 PM PST by fire_eye (Socialism is the opiate of academia.)
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To: hinterlander

It is.


11 posted on 12/08/2004 12:38:55 PM PST by sport
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To: hinterlander

Disgraceful for Jorge bush to give in to stupid 9/11 bitches who slammed Sensenbrenner for his patriotic defense of our borders. I wish those left-wing millionaire widows would just shut the hell up.


12 posted on 12/08/2004 12:53:22 PM PST by montag813
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To: untrained skeptic; montag813; Oatka; AuntB
...who aren't a threat to the US, and are productive people.

The issue the party, the politicians, the media, and the unpatriotic landowners refuse to acknowledge is culture.

How many illegal immigrants, legal immigrants, and anchor baby "citizens" can now refuse to learn English because the rest of us have been forced to finance their unassimilated existence?

How many medical bills, in the millions and millions of dollars, will citizens continue to pay?

How much worse will crime get in LA?

How many socialist votes can we expect in the future from this emerging bloc?

Who has the ear of this emerging bloc?

How many gangs will continue to spring up from this migration?

People who refuse to recognize the damage already done to our social fabric by encouraging this migration are part of the problem. Until we make it clear that it's important for leaders to reverse the damage, it will just continue to get worse.

If it's not already too late, it will be soon.

And by the way, one of the most important factors in the arrival and toleration of the 19 terrorists who invaded our country was illegal immigration. Yet that was downplayed by the media and even the so-called "victim" families that profit from their position in the public eye.

And it's all for cheaper lettuce or similar corner cutting.

13 posted on 12/08/2004 6:38:27 PM PST by risk
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To: risk

NEW POLL UP!

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/

Do you support legislation that would secure our borders and reform immigration law?

Yes 96% 3151 votes

No 4% 141 votes

Total: 3292 votes


14 posted on 12/08/2004 7:01:44 PM PST by AuntB (Every person who enters the U.S. illegally--from anywhere--increases the likelihood of another 9/11)
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To: risk
" The issue the party, the politicians, the media, and the unpatriotic landowners refuse to acknowledge is culture."

We are a nation of immigrants. I agree that everyone should learn English that wants to live and work here. However, our culture has absorbed immigrants before.

The key is to restrict immigration to those who can contribute to our society.

That means we welcome those with a good work ethic can come and be part of our society as part of the guest worker program as long as we have jobs for them.

The deadbeats and criminals don't qualify. Deport them and don't feel sorry for them.

The point of immigration reform is to fix what's broken.

I think most people on this board will agree that we can't just allow unrestricted immigration to continue.

The question is who we allow in, and do we kick out all those who are here illegally, or allow SOME to stay.

As someone mentioned on one of these threads, we may also have to change the law that makes anyone born on US soil a citizen. Otherwise we're going to have an awful lot of US citizens born to low wage immigrant workers.

Those kids are going to be able to legally stay in the country with relatives, and they're going to put a serious drain on our education system.
15 posted on 12/08/2004 7:07:57 PM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: jveritas
Oh look, the usual whiners are at it again.

It is a big Mexican conspiracy with Evil Bush as its leader trying to sell out the country to illegals and force anyone with white skin to be subservient to anyone with dark skin who may or may not know how to speak Spanish. Soon the United States will be taken over by Mexico and either we'll all be forced to speak Spanish, give 99% of our earning to Mexicans, or else we'll be sent for "reeducation". We must have a "final solution to the Mexican question" and only Pat Buchanan or Tancerdo can save this country.

Sounds like something crazy enough to come from DU but almost all is taken from posters on FR and only a couple were changed by adding sarcasm.

16 posted on 12/08/2004 7:14:05 PM PST by COEXERJ145
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To: COEXERJ145
Unfortunately, most people who read your post won't even recognize it as sarcasm.

Remember, some of the people you're addressing can't even compete in the job market with illegal aliens, without driver's licenses, who can't speak English, who are constantly hiding from immigration, who may be deported any day, and whose employment subjects the employers to a risk of substantial fines and criminal penalties.

17 posted on 12/08/2004 7:38:41 PM PST by bayourod (Bush said. "Let's see if I can say it as plainly as I can: I am for the intelligence bill.")
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To: untrained skeptic
We are a nation of immigrants.

That's a nice, PC platitude. But it's hollow, just like the false god of "diversity." Diversity just complicates matters, beyond a certain point. Of course it's just what our enemies would like to see: America divided into racial and cultural blocs, unable to find consensus, each resenting its inability to steer the republic in its own preferable direction.

People think this is about racism, but it's about culture. Culture is all that matters, but those who claim that America is an unlimited reservoir of culture that can absorb any number of immigrants and imbue each of them with the essential elements of that which is "American" are naive. So naive that it's tragic. Why are our cities liberal today? A good deal of it comes from the immigrants who live there, and the ideas they have encouraged in each other.

So what about the "nation of immigrants" fable?

The immigrants of the 19th century wanted to assimilate as fast as they could. They were closer to us in many cultural aspects. To the extent that they fell into ghettos, they had their difficulties. But they came in waves of several types of immigrants and never found whole states shifting toward their own particular cultural peccadilloes. As northern Europeans they had much more in common with the original American colonists. Furthermore, they wanted to meet or exceed the standards the original founders had set, and they did.

What do our public schools teach the immigrants, many from south of Mexico's southern border? That they are the conquered ones. That they are the oppressed. That this country is theirs to retake.

The key is to restrict immigration to those who can contribute to our society.

Sure, of course. But what about compatibility? What about a true desire to become an English speaking, red-blooded American? You can find that among many immigrants today, hailing from Africa to the Philippines. But what hope do we have of maintaining the base of our culture when we're aborting our own children and feeding the dearth we've caused with foreigners? I'll tell you, it's almost hopeless.

...we may also have to change the law that makes anyone born on US soil a citizen.

I don't know how to address this topic, but I suspect it comes down to locking down our borders and our ports. We all have a heart, which is why we find it so difficult to deal with illegal aliens once they're here. We need to stop them before they get here.

I agree that deportation is long overdue as a solution. Once it becomes known that people will be cast back into their former lands with no financial or political ties to America, they will gradually become less aggressive about sneaking into our country.

18 posted on 12/08/2004 8:37:12 PM PST by risk
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To: COEXERJ145
We have a freeper called PJ Comix who writes a very funny daily thread called Dummie Funnies where he makes fun of the insane delusional threads and posts at Dummie land.

May be we need to do a similar satire threads about the delusional Buchananites and 3rd party voters on FR. :)

19 posted on 12/08/2004 9:08:16 PM PST by jveritas
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To: hinterlander

why did this bill pass faster than eggs through a hen?


20 posted on 12/08/2004 9:11:03 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (if a man lives long enough, he gets to see the same thing over and over.)
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