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ZOT!! Rumsfeld Sued for Alleged War Crimes
Deutsche Welle

Posted on 12/06/2004 3:57:38 PM PST by AMBIVILANCEkilledTHEcat

Alleging responsibility for war crimes and torture at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison, a human rights group has filed a criminal complaint in Germany against US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and other top US officials.

The New York-based Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) and Berlin's Republican Lawyers' Association said they and five Iraqi citizens mistreated by US soldiers were seeking a probe by German federal prosecutors of leading US policymakers.

They said they had chosen Germany because of its Code of Crimes Against International Law, introduced in 2002, which grants German courts universal jurisdiction in cases involving war crimes or crimes against humanity.

It also makes military or civilian commanders who fail to prevent their subordinates from committing such acts liable.

"No other place to go"

"We filed these cases here because there is simply no other place to go," CCR vice president Peter Weiss said in a statement, adding that the US Congress had "failed" to seriously investigate the abuses. "It is clear that the US government is not willing to open an investigation into these allegations against these officials."

The Center for Constitutional Rights noted that while several US soldiers were facing court martial for the abuse and sexual humiliation of prisoners at the US-run Abu Ghraib detention center in Iraq, their superiors looked set to escape discipline.

The complaint names Rumsfeld, former CIA director George Tenet, Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence Steven Cambone, Lieutenant General Ricardo Sanchez, Brigadier General Janis L. Karpinski and other military officers who served in Iraq.

Five victims part of the case

"From Donald Rumsfeld on down, the political and military leaders in charge of Iraq policy must be investigated and held accountable," CCR president Michael Ratner said in a statement issued in Frankfurt, Germany.

The CCR said that the five Iraqis it was representing had been victims of mistreatment including electric shock, severe beatings, sleep and food deprivation and sexual abuse.

It noted that Sanchez and other officers involved in the case were based in Germany. Germany's federal prosecutor now has to decide whether the case warrants further investigation.

DW staff/AFP (win)


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
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To: AMBIVILANCEkilledTHEcat
They said they had chosen Germany because of its Code of Crimes Against International Law, introduced in 2002, which grants German courts universal jurisdiction in cases involving war crimes or crimes against humanity.

Wow, that's rich. The Germans have granted themselves universal jurisdiction over that which they most famously perpetrated upon humanity.

What's next? Will the Japanese grant themselves universal jurisdiction over sneak attacks on foreign ports?

101 posted on 12/06/2004 4:42:20 PM PST by ez (Let the tolerant tolerate my intolerance!)
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To: AMBIVILANCEkilledTHEcat


that was sooooo butch...
102 posted on 12/06/2004 4:43:55 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ©® - Dubya... F**K YEAH!!!)
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To: SF Republican

"then why are they trying Rumsfeld?"

they aren't actually trying Rumsfeld; a couple nutcases filed suit asking them to . . . like frivolous law suits.


103 posted on 12/06/2004 4:44:56 PM PST by AMDG&BVMH
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To: AMBIVILANCEkilledTHEcat
"License to kill trolls by the government of the United Nations. Man, free to kill trolls at will. To kill, you must know your enemy, and in this case my enemy is a troll. And a troll will never quit - ever. They're like the Viet Cong - Troll Cong. So you have to fall back on superior intelligence and superior firepower. And that's all she wrote."

104 posted on 12/06/2004 4:45:17 PM PST by 506trooper (Use me, abuse me, but you'll never make me feel cheap)
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To: AMBIVILANCEkilledTHEcat

YAWN.


105 posted on 12/06/2004 4:45:36 PM PST by pierrem15
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To: AMDG&BVMH
The aftermath caused the German nation to be very sensitive about war crimes and crimes against humanity.

According to my Brother In Law, a career Navy man stationed many years in germany, at least 50% of young germans deny the Holocast, and another quarter of the older population think it was perfectly justified.

So this aledged hyper sensitivity seems mostly oriented outward.

106 posted on 12/06/2004 4:48:35 PM PST by konaice
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To: AMBIVILANCEkilledTHEcat
Concept shamelessly stolen from aMorePerfectUnion

Rate-a-Troll

Criterion Your Score (1-10) Comments
"Supporting" the troops while denigrating their chain of command 0 No "support" at all. Hose 'em!
Bush/Cheney as Illuminati conspiracy/cabal 2 Only a hint of conspiracy
Amount of work on a post we'll just ridicule 2 Likely copied verbatim, but may have been translated
Pretending to be conservative or a long-time FReeper 0 Self-loathing upper-class white male won't do
Class warfare 8 Oh yeah!
Waiting long enough after sign-up to post 10 Excellent! A whole week!
Naderite corporation-bashing 0 Not a smidgen
Number of times "administration" is used 0 presidency, regime, but no joy here
Exclamation points 1 Sad, no real passion at all. Just empty cynicism
Misspelled words 1 And even it's borderline
Condescension while educating the ignorant evangelicals 4 More insult than condescension

                                                                                             Total:  28

Pretty much a waste of your time, not even in the top ten. Next post, try something from France, they're generally more strident.

107 posted on 12/06/2004 4:50:32 PM PST by timpad (The Wizard Tim - Keeper of the Holy Hand Grenade, Finder of Obscurata)
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To: international american
Let the paving begin.
108 posted on 12/06/2004 4:51:11 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (The future is all around us, waiting in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation.)
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To: AMBIVILANCEkilledTHEcat

I heard Ellen RATner say last week, that her brother was one of the folks behind this crap. I'll never begin to understand idiots such as these


109 posted on 12/06/2004 4:52:40 PM PST by Figment (Ich bin ein Jesuslander)
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To: Jaysun

And if you can find the technology to harness the methane that it produces you have a renewable and tasty energy source. :)


110 posted on 12/06/2004 4:52:45 PM PST by Americanwolf (Chili..... Ah behold the power of Methane!)
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To: timpad

A 28!?!

Pretty LAME !


111 posted on 12/06/2004 4:56:11 PM PST by Delta 21 (MKC USCG -ret)
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To: AMBIVILANCEkilledTHEcat

112 posted on 12/06/2004 4:56:43 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick (www.Hillary-Watch.org)
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To: William Terrell; onyx; johniegrad

See post #107 for troll rating system. As you can see, it's a totally different system than the one we use for regulars on vanities. This is quite advanced, though I don't believe we could handle such intricacies and complications. We're a simple people.....


113 posted on 12/06/2004 4:59:01 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: AMBIVILANCEkilledTHEcat
You have annoyed this cat....


114 posted on 12/06/2004 4:59:15 PM PST by No_Outcome_But_Victory (Please pray for Ann, my pregnant wife. (High risk pregnancy.))
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To: AMBIVILANCEkilledTHEcat; Grampa Dave; AmericanInTokyo; stockpirate; swarthyguy

If your name is Thomas R. Pochari II, and you are the worst of all creatures, an alleged "conservative" who has used your supposed pedigree to infiltrate the GOP, RNCC, The Fed, and Silicon Valley businesses, then you need to know this. You are now outed. You have been reported. You will go down, as will all those you have recruited. Patriot 2 has your name on it, and you can take that to the bank. You are the enemy within, and a 5th columnist of the worst sort. See my tag line, I am your worst nightmare.

[Others on CC, Freepmail me for details ]


115 posted on 12/06/2004 4:59:22 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: AMBIVILANCEkilledTHEcat

116 posted on 12/06/2004 4:59:43 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel ("Nature abhors a moron."-H.L. Mencken)
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To: Delta 21

Yep. Out of 110. Very weak.

You used more exclamation points in your reply than he/she/it used in the whole post. We're sure getting some B-list trolls these days.


117 posted on 12/06/2004 5:00:06 PM PST by timpad (The Wizard Tim - Keeper of the Holy Hand Grenade, Finder of Obscurata)
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To: Eagle Eye

There will be an even worse place in hell for those who support these devils like this poster.


118 posted on 12/06/2004 5:01:07 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Writers of hate GW/Christians/ Republicans Articles = GIM=GAY INFECTED MEDIOTS!)
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To: AMBIVILANCEkilledTHEcat

119 posted on 12/06/2004 5:02:22 PM PST by Ryan Spock
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

Dang! Fiddlestix beat me to it! : )


120 posted on 12/06/2004 5:02:43 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel ("Nature abhors a moron."-H.L. Mencken)
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