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George Frey for The New York Times
Chris Peterson, executive director of the Glen Canyon Institute, walks along the Escalante River in the drought-stricken canyon. A former water line is visible along the rock wall. The drought has uncovered spots that were underwater for more than 30 years.

George Frey for The New York Times
A severe drought has made Glen Canyon, at the shallow confluence of Coyote Creek and Escalante River, open and visible much as it was before the dam was built.


1 posted on 11/30/2004 6:46:03 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
Easterners are always so happy to tell westerners how do manage their land. The same exact thing was done in mid Massachusetts to form the Quabin reservoir. Several towns were destroyed when they dammed up the area. But I don't hear calls to remove the Quabin and restore the area. Could it be because the water feeds the liberal havens of Boston and Cambridge?
2 posted on 11/30/2004 6:53:25 PM PST by ProudVet77 (Just say NO to blue states.)
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To: neverdem

of course the glen canyon operators could add a siphon to a deeper place, to keep the turbines running.


3 posted on 11/30/2004 6:53:29 PM PST by donmeaker (Why did the Romans cross the road? To keep the slaves from revolting again.)
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To: neverdem

Interesting reading.
Water demand will be the next environmental crisis in America. It could get ugly.


4 posted on 11/30/2004 6:54:47 PM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: neverdem

And when the turbines stop, the Sierra Club is going to get it a@@ kicked.


5 posted on 11/30/2004 6:57:18 PM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: neverdem
If I were interested in northern Arizona and southern Utah I would not count on a continuing drought of the magnitude they are now experiencing. Areas of the High Plains of Texas which normally receive about 10" of moisture per year this year have gotten over 50". And its not over yet. This is a historical record. The safest thing that can be said about weather in the Southwest is that it is extremely unpredictable.

Muleteam1

7 posted on 11/30/2004 7:01:29 PM PST by Muleteam1
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To: neverdem

Years ago I read "Cadillac Desert." Wonderful book that told the stories of dam building west of the Mississippi. I'll have to dig that out and re-read it. I'm wondering, in particular, the impact this will have on Los Angeles...water, electricity, etc. as LA was a prime motivator for a lot of the dam construction back then. That cross-state water pipeline comes to mind, too. I think this might be about a whole lot more than seeing some river valleys that had been covered with water for so long.


8 posted on 11/30/2004 7:01:54 PM PST by edfrank_1998
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To: neverdem
"So far" this winter is looking encouraging - Snowpack above Lake Powell is running at 130% of the historical average for this time of year.

Of course, it may not snow again for the rest of the winter. ;-P

10 posted on 11/30/2004 7:02:32 PM PST by DuncanWaring (...and Freedom tastes of Reality)
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To: neverdem
Water and nonpolluting power are going to be the next battlegrounds out west and we really do not appreciate goofy, starstruck Easterners telling us the right way to live. As our cities grow they hatch out their own brand of wackos that see the countryside as their own playground. If they team up with the easterners, all bets are off on what the final results will look like.
11 posted on 11/30/2004 7:02:47 PM PST by crazyhorse691 (We won. We don't need to be forgiving. Let the heads roll!!!!!!!!!)
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To: neverdem
With the lake so low, people can see what was lost, the life cycles, the ecosystem.

Obviously the canyon was there all along. A dam is an engineering project with a lifetime. Eventually the dam would be gone again and the canyon can pick up where it left off, probably for another 10,000 years. Nothing is lost. They'll have to find water someplace else, sounds like, or everybody move like the people before them and the people before them etc. as long as there have been people there.

12 posted on 11/30/2004 7:07:13 PM PST by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: neverdem

Before the dam there was merely a wide creek, so what's the point here?


13 posted on 11/30/2004 7:07:50 PM PST by Old Professer (The accidental trumps the purposeful in every endeavor attended by the incompetent.)
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To: neverdem
Edward Abbey, the mischievous author and defender of the natural world,

...and author of an eco-terrorism handbook...


15 posted on 11/30/2004 7:11:39 PM PST by Constitution Day
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To: neverdem

I look at it this way God Made it perfect Man using the intelect God gave him used it for his own good God will someday make it Perfect again until the Men have other ways of getting water they may not be the way man wants but God will Provide a way

Until then enjoy the low waters and explore whats not been seen Since man burried it !


17 posted on 11/30/2004 7:14:03 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (Lord, place the steel of the Holy Spirit in my spine and the love of the Holy Ghost in my heart.)
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To: neverdem
"Short of several back-to-back years with 100-year runoff, Lake Powell will never be full again," said Dr. Tom Myers, a hydrologic consultant in Reno, Nev."

BS. Precipitation is cyclical, the lake will be full again at some point. Back-to-back 100 year storms are a statistical improbability, and the bottom line is that the hydro-power dam has been good for society as a whole.

22 posted on 11/30/2004 7:34:52 PM PST by yooper (If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there......)
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To: neverdem

PC BS. Nuff said.


33 posted on 11/30/2004 8:02:04 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: neverdem
Lake Powell is by far the most beautiful lake on planet earth. Yet Environmentalists are busy draining it as fast as they can. Just the last few days they've opened the flood gates on the already low lake, just to provide an artificial "flood" in the Grand Canyon that will build a few temporary sand bars.

They're in love with the words of John Muir, but they can't see that they're destroying an environmental masterpiece, just because it happens to be "man-made".

This "buried treasure" is all over that area of the southwest. Thousands upon thousands of acres of it, that all looks the same. But bury some fraction of it with a beautiful, but man-made lake, and the enviros go nuts.

The fact that it will put thousands of people out of work that depend on lake revenue will get their rocks off too. They love destroying the US economy.

36 posted on 11/30/2004 8:18:06 PM PST by narby
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To: neverdem
Silly me.
I saw the word "treasures" and visualized human artifacts, or other archeological possibilities. Instead we get a propaganda commercial for the Bug and Bunny crowd.

For whatever it's worth, 2.5 million visitors annually must have approved of the lake. I doubt if the "treasures" attracted one-tenth that number before the dam.

It can certainly be argued that the lake, when it was full, exposed a different set of "treasures" every bit as desireable as the present ones. The only difference now is the agenda.

Great and slick propaganda piece, though, by the Bugs and Bunny crowd.

40 posted on 11/30/2004 8:49:30 PM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.)
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To: neverdem
The defeat was deeply felt. David Brower, who was executive director of the Sierra Club, called the death of Glen Canyon the greatest disappointment of his life.

To everyone's surprise, the bathtub ring is disappearing rapidly. Summer monsoons are washing it away.

There is very little human garbage in the shin-deep river that runs through the old lake bed. On a recent exploration, hikers saw only a plastic bucket and a bottle. The air smells sweet. Clear springs flow out of newly exposed rock.


In other words, the flooding had little lasting impact.
46 posted on 12/01/2004 4:37:09 AM PST by aruanan
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To: neverdem

There are hidden contradictions in the minds of people who "love Nature" while deploring the "artificialities" with which "Man has spoiled 'Nature.'" The obvious contradiction lies in their choice of words, which imply that Man and his artifacts are not part of "Nature" -- but beavers and their dams are. But the contradictions go deeper than this prima-facie absurdity. In declaring his love for a beaver dam (erected by beavers for beavers' purposes) and his hatred for dams erected by men (for the purposes of men) the "naturist" reveals his hatred for his own race -- i.e., his own self hatred.
In the case of "Naturists" such self-hatred is understandable; they are such a sorry lot. But hatred is too strong an emotion to feel toward them; pity and contempt are the most they rate.
As for me, willy-nilly I am a man, not a beaver, and H. sapiens is the only race I have or can have. Fortunately for me, I like being part of a race made up of men and women -- it strikes me as a fine arrangement and perfectly "natural."

by Robert Anson Heinlein


47 posted on 12/01/2004 4:40:29 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Dan Rather called Saddam "Mister President and President Bush "bush")
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To: neverdem
There is very little human garbage in the shin-deep river that runs through the old lake bed. On a recent exploration, hikers saw only a plastic bucket and a bottle.

I find this really encouraging. When I started reading the article I envisioned the land covered with sunken cars, washing machines, empty bottles and cans. Must be that it’s relatively far from “civilization”.
My faith in human nature was renewed when I read this:

"Every rock you turn over has toilet paper under it from the years this was a campsite for boats."

Not being familiar with recreational boats, I always just assumed that holding tanks were mandatory for them as well as for commercial vessels.

49 posted on 12/01/2004 4:50:25 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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