Posted on 11/24/2004 9:35:29 AM PST by bikepacker67
The following are excerpts from a discussion on wife beating on Qatar TV:
Dr. Ibrahim Elias, a lawyer: There is a difference between instilling discipline and aggression. Likewise, there is a difference between wife beating as a phenomenon, as a right, as a duty, or as a rule.
The phenomenon of beatings is widespread, but does religion support beatings? No, religion is a means of therapy. When Allah said in the Koran "and beat them," he didn't establish it as a rule, but as a means of therapy. Does a surgeon wield a knife from the outset in order to operate? No, if there is a gangrened limb, he amputates it, and if there is pain, he treats it efficiently. Islam refers to the issue of beating at the end of the verse. Before verse 34 in the Al-Nisa Sura in the Koran it says, "As for those from whom you fear disobedience…" "Disobedience" means a wife who refrains from obeying the man. The man is the guardian in his home, he is the judge, and of better judgment. When the wife rebels…
Moderator Muna Al-Shazli: The judge and of better judgment?
Elias: Indeed, he is of better judgment. The man is the judge in his home.
Al-Shazli: There are many cases of people, including Arabs, where the wife has better judgment.
Elias: I am speaking as a rule.
Al-Shazli: Excuse me for a moment, if we accept everything in our lives as a given, we will never make progress. I'm usually neutral but there is no one here to help me, so let's discuss this…
Elias: I am neutral…
Al-Shazli: You claim that as a rule, the man is of better judgment?
Elias: Allah claims this.
Iman Bibars, Director of the Womens' Development Society: I conducted a study in seven random areas in Cairo, in Palestine, Kuwait, Jordan, and Syria. I'd like to say that I found something that took me by surprise. I call it "a culture of the electricity cable." What does it mean? The men in the study did not know one another, but they all used to beat their wives with electricity cables. These cables are large and they would beat their wives.
Dr. Elias:Our civil law and Islamic law do not present wife-beating as a rule, but they deal with a situation where a man beats his wife. What should we do then? My friend, if you beat your wife and it's only light beatings in order to set things straight - that's it. We forgive light beatings. We tell him, "They are not considered an assault, but discipline."
Al-Shazli: What do you mean by light beatings? I'd very much like to know what they are…
Elias: Light beatings, from the legal aspect…
Al-Shazli: I'd like to say something. When a man treats his wife this way, when his hand is like an iron rod, she is hurt, physically and mentally… What kind of idea is this "light beatings"?
Elias: Light beatings are not excessive. They don't leave a mark, don't break bones, don't cause bleeding, and don't cause death. These are light beatings. With some women - nothing helps except beatings.
Bibars And with some men - nothing helps except beatings.
Elias:: For example, a man comes home from work and finds his wife watching TV. She doesn't even get up to make him food. He tells her once, twice, and asks again. If only once he would raise his voice and beat her, she would get up to prepare food for him and by the next day she'd be obedient. This will last for a week and when she forgets, he will remind her. Let's admit it, the woman was created from a crooked rib.
I would like to send a message from here: The wife must speak quietly and she must carry out all her duties toward her husband and family. She must not give her husband the chance to beat her, and if he has already beaten her, she must treat him in a way that will not cause him to repeat it, so the beatings won't become a habit.
Oh. My. God.
Pathetic.
Can you feel the Peace and Love just oooozzzeee from the Muslims???
Does this sound 90% similar to Jewish morality to you?
Weekly or bi-weekly?
Islam is evil.
Unfortunately, since these poor women can't even leave their houses, they can't do much of anything. This is an appalling situation. How can liberals defend these political systems?
These creeps make even the most knuckle dragging American male look positively enlightened.
And we all know that only a Jack@ss has a crooked body parts to extract >:>
It's a great way to see, up close, the MooseLimbs for what they are, instead of what CAIR tells us they are.
Al-Shazli & Bibars better lay low for a few years if they don't want their heads handed to them, literally.
Start with bloody and violent scriptures, fold in idolatry, blend with false prophet - and you get Islam.
No, Judaism does NOT condone wife beating.
Absolutely mind-boggling. I suppose the one advocating a "light beating" would be the "moderate" in the group. It looks like one or two of them think wife beating is wrong because at times the wife has better judgement than the husband. These would be the "apostates" in the group. But the consensus seems to be that wife beating is ordained by Allah and so is the duty of the husband to ensure obedience and domestic tranquility.
When I read stuff like this I am suddenly made aware of just how blessed I am to live in the U.S. There is plenty of nuttiness here but at least it doesn't take the form of open and approved barbarism. There are beasts here who beat women but they are likely to end up in jail not hailed as dutiful husbands.
...the book of Allah says that they are inferior to men and their husbands have the right to scourge them if they are found disobedient (4:34). It advises men to take a green branch and beat their wives, because a green branch is more flexible and hurts more. (38:44). It teaches that women will go to hell if they are disobedient to their husbands (66:10). It maintains that men have an advantage over the women (2:228). It not only denies the women's equal rights, it decrees that their witness is not admissible in the courts of law (2:282). This means that a woman who is raped cannot accuse her rapist unless she can produce a male witness. Our Holy Prophet allows us to marry up to four wives and he licensed us to sleep with our slave maids and as many 'captive' women as we may have (4:3) even if those women are already married. He himself did just that.[A word of warning for those who may find their version of Quran is translated differently from those appearing in this article: Almost all the translators of Quran have deliberately tried to soften the harsh verses of Quran. Yusufali especially goes out of his way to twists the meaning of the words and hide the harshness of Quran. For example he translates the verse (38:44) that says "take a green branch and beat your wife" as "take a little green grass and strike therewith". Or when he translates the verse (4:34) that says "beat your wife" he cannot help it but to add the word (lightly) in parenthesis.]
Daily.
I recall nothing in the Old Testament that even comes close to approval of wife beating.
Perhaps Sidney Blumenthal should consider converting to Islam.
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