Posted on 10/25/2004 10:11:19 PM PDT by Carling
The first documentary evidence that Vietnamese communists were directly steering John Kerry's antiwar group Vietnam Veterans Against the War has been discovered in a U.S. archive, according to a researcher who spoke with WorldNetDaily.
One freshly unearthed document, captured by the U.S. from Vietnamese communists in 1971, indicates the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese delegations to the Paris peace talks that year were used as the communications link to direct the activities of Kerry and other antiwar activists who attended.
Kerry insists he attended the talks only because he happened to be in France on his honeymoon and maintains he met with both sides. But previously revealed records indicate the future senator made two, and possibly three, trips to Paris to meet with Vietcong leader Madame Binh then promote her plan's demand for U.S. surrender.
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It just keeps getting better & better!
PING!
Oh, PING!!!!!!
I hate to be cynical but who will know about this except us? The MSM will not report on anything negative to their beloved Traitor.
It's not looking good for The Poodle...
Bump.
Hey, I think I see some proportional font technology in that memo! Should I ping Buckhead?
Please FReepmail me if you want on or off my infrequent ‘miscellaneous’ ping list.
It makes me wonder how many of the 40% who now support Kerry would still support him if he were to publicly pledge his allegiance to Communist Vietnam; probably half.
Is he still hiding out??
See page 25 of THE FBI FILES
Once a lying Commie rat, always a lying Commie rat.
Does this have anything to do with the "Navy Chief" tease for tomorrow's NYSUN???
Very nice.
Yeah, sure.
ping!
Is there any way to verify these and make sure they
weren't produced on MS Word?
I'd LOVE this to be true, but could it be a set-up to either discredit upcoming Swift-Boat revelations?
Or a way to 'rehabilitate' Dan Rather?
Yes, I know set-ups arent't the Dims' style--but let's vet this as thoroughly as we would scour any MSM announcement, and make it bulletproof...The way 'Unfit for Command' is.
Full Disclosure: Wouldn't this be a great way to finish off J F'n K? Only thing better would be a speech from his KGB handler, from Moscow, on Thursday or Friday. Hey, I can dream, can't I?
Too bad the media will never report this.
We should call him 'the Great Imposter', he seems to show up everywhere, LOL.
The media will not report on this
But you know, I'm getting a bit gun-shy of "recently discovered old documents". This better not be some krapola being circulated by the DNC.
Hot Smoking Gun! This would make a great ad for the Swifties!
Ping
Uber Bump
I still predict that we will be seeing much more.. maybe at least two 'revelations' per day.. It will keep the dems covering..
#16--- That PDF file is over 18MB's... YIKES.... can you screen capture page 25 for us??
That's very hard to read. I hope some Freeper who is a good at transcrbing (I am not) will retype it.
I have tried, a few times, can't do it.
Yep, I saw that too. Can't leave FR for a minute or we'll miss something.
bttt
Good point,
We should be the first to confirm and verify, even if it proves them false. If they are false, and we denounce them first, then we will be trusted when the real dirt hits.
With the freep experience with Rathergate, we will be listened to if they prove to be real.. (wishful thinking..)
Self-ping - and hey, everyone...the Swiftees have to pay for their final group of ads by tomorrow, so please donate tonight if you can. (I just did.)
Adobe Acrobat Professional has the ability to optimize compression for PDFs. I have version 6 at the office, but will not be able get to it till tomorrow. If I can significantly decrease the size, do you have a server you could host it on?
The N.Y. Sun has something in the morning as well.
The MSM will need to touch this sooner or later.
ping
It's posted go read.
Kerry is such a BASTARD!!!
Looks like a hot one here, Tonk.
October 13, 2004 Edition > Section: National
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Mystery Surrounds Kerry's Navy Discharge
BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB - Special to the Sun
October 13, 2004
An official Navy document on Senator Kerry's campaign Web site listed as Mr. Kerry's "Honorable Discharge from the Reserves" opens a door on a well kept secret about his military service.
The document is a form cover letter in the name of the Carter administration's secretary of the Navy, W. Graham Claytor. It describes Mr. Kerry's discharge as being subsequent to the review of "a board of officers." This in it self is unusual. There is nothing about an ordinary honorable discharge action in the Navy that requires a review by a board of officers.
According to the secretary of the Navy's document, the "authority of reference" this board was using in considering Mr. Kerry's record was "Title 10, U.S. Code Section 1162 and 1163. "This section refers to the grounds for involuntary separation from the service. What was being reviewed, then, was Mr. Kerry's involuntary separation from the service. And it couldn't have been an honorable discharge, or there would have been no point in any review at all. The review was likely held to improve Mr. Kerry's status of discharge from a less than honorable discharge to an honorable discharge.
A Kerry campaign spokesman, David Wade, was asked whether Mr. Kerry had ever been a victim of an attempt to deny him an honorable discharge. There has been no response to that inquiry.
The document is dated February 16, 1978. But Mr. Kerry's military commitment began with his six-year enlistment contract with the Navy on February 18, 1966. His commitment should have terminated in 1972. It is highly unlikely that either the man who at that time was a Vietnam Veterans Against the War leader, John Kerry, requested or the Navy accepted an additional six year reserve commitment. And the Claytor document indicates proceedings to reverse a less than honorable discharge that took place sometime prior to February 1978.
The most routine time for Mr. Kerry's discharge would have been at the end of his six-year obligation, in 1972. But how was it most likely to have come about?
NBC's release this March of some of the Nixon White House tapes about Mr. Kerry show a great deal of interest in Mr. Kerry by Nixon and his executive staff, including, perhaps most importantly, Nixon's special counsel, Charles Colson. In a meeting the day after Mr. Kerry's Senate testimony, April 23, 1971, Mr. Colson attacks Mr. Kerry as a "complete opportunist...We'll keep hitting him, Mr. President."
Mr. Colson was still on the case two months later, according to a memo he wrote on June 15,1971, that was brought to the surface by the Houston Chronicle. "Let's destroy this young demagogue before he becomes another Ralph Nader." Nixon had been a naval officer in World War II. Mr. Colson was a former Marine captain. Mr. Colson had been prodded to find "dirt" on Mr. Kerry, but reported that he couldn't find any.
The Nixon administration ran FBI surveillance on Mr. Kerry from September 1970 until August 1972. Finding grounds for an other than honorable discharge, however, for a leader of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, given his numerous activities while still a reserve officer of the Navy, was easier than finding "dirt."
For example, while America was still at war, Mr. Kerry had met with the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong delegation to the Paris Peace talks in May 1970 and then held a demonstration in July 1971 in Washington to try to get Congress to accept the enemy's seven point peace proposal without a single change. Woodrow Wilson threw Eugene Debs, a former presidential candidate, in prison just for demonstrating for peace negotiations with Germany during World War I. No court overturned his imprisonment. He had to receive a pardon from President Harding.
Mr. Colson refused to answer any questions about his activities regarding Mr. Kerry during his time in the Nixon White House. The secretary of the Navy at the time during the Nixon presidency is the current chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, Senator Warner. A spokesman for the senator, John Ullyot, said, "Senator Warner has no recollection that would either confirm or challenge any representation that Senator Kerry received a less than honorable discharge."
The "board of officers" review reported in the Claytor document is even more extraordinary because it came about "by direction of the President." No normal honorable discharge requires the direction of the president. The president at that time was James Carter. This adds another twist to the story of Mr. Kerry's hidden military records.
Mr. Carter's first act as president was a general amnesty for draft dodgers and other war protesters. Less than an hour after his inauguration on January 21, 1977, while still in the Capitol building, Mr. Carter signed Executive Order 4483 empowering it. By the time it became a directive from the Defense Department in March 1977 it had been expanded to include other offenders who may have had general, bad conduct, dishonorable discharges, and any other discharge or sentence with negative effect on military records. In those cases the directive outlined a procedure for appeal on a case by case basis before a board of officers. A satisfactory appeal would result in an improvement of discharge status or an honorable discharge.
Mr. Kerry has repeatedly refused to sign Standard Form 180, which would allow the release of all his military records. And some of his various spokesmen have claimed that all his records are already posted on his Web site. But the Washington Post already noted that the Naval Personnel Office admitted that they were still withholding about 100 pages of files.
If Mr. Kerry was the victim of a Nixon "enemies list" hit, one might have expected him to wear it like a badge of honor, like many others such as his friend Daniel Ellsberg, who leaked the Pentagon Papers, CBS's Daniel Schorr, or the actor Paul Newman, who had made Mr. Colson's original list of 20 "enemies."
There are a number of categories of discharges besides honorable. There are general discharges, medical discharges, bad conduct discharges, as well as other than honorable and dishonorable discharges. There is one odd coincidence that gives some weight to the possibility that Mr. Kerry was dishonorably discharged. Mr. Kerry has claimed that he lost his medal certificates and that is why he asked that they be reissued. But when a dishonorable discharge is issued, all pay benefits, and allowances, and all medals and honors are revoked as well. And five months after Mr. Kerry joined the U.S. Senate in 1985, on one single day, June 4, all of Mr. Kerry's medals were reissued.
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"anyone know how to get in touch with Mary Mapes?"
Just call Joe Lockhart, he's got her number on speed dial....
Oh my God! I'm going to have to add this to the very emailable http://freedomkeys.com/propagandist.htm --- give me a few minutes....
So this is one and the same? Do you think the MSM will pick up on it? Britt Hume was all over the NYTIMES article on his show today. Nothing about the Washington Times lies, though. It's like this guy is wrapped in teflon. nothing sticks.
So where are the documents then..?
They ought to be on The Smoking Gun and on Drudge Report, not referenced by persons citing experts as quoted by a writer for WND.
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