YOU!BWA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA!
Seriously, we'll ratify Kyoto when you guys start PRODUCING like we do...but see, by then, you'll all realize Kyoto is a hunk of anti-progress junk and you won't want it either!
Posted on 10/23/2004 8:57:03 AM PDT by Anduril1
US rejects world calls to join Russia in ratifying Kyoto pact
WASHINGTON (AFP) Oct 23, 2004 The United States, flying in the face of snowballing world opinion, said Friday it would not follow Russia's lead and ratify the Kyoto protocol on global warming. "We have no intention of signing or ratifying it. We have not changed our views," a defiant deputy State Department spokesman Adam Ereli said after the European Union and environmentalists across the globe hailed Moscow's decision and urged Washington to follow suit.
Heading the chorus of delight after the Russian cabinet approved the Kyoto pact and sent it to lawmakers for ratification was the EU, which has been battling to save the accord thrown into disarray by the US walkout.
"This is a huge success for the international fight against climate change," declared European Commission President Romano Prodi. "Today [Russian] President [Vladimir] Putin has sent a strong signal of his commitment and sense of responsibility.
"We are happy that the Russian Duma has decided to ratify. We hope that the United States will now re-consider its position."
But the State Department left no room for hope.
"We note the actions taken today," said Ereli, "but I'd refer you to the Russians for opinion or comment on their rationale for ratifying it. Our position against it remains the same."
EU Environment Commissioner Margot Wallstroem said Russia's action "sends a very forceful signal to the rest of the world... It is also very much a victory for the European Union."
German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer, a Green party member, said, "For the first time there can be global responsibility for the world's climate and the management of its resources."
"This is an important signal to the entire international community," said German Environment Minister Juergen Trittin, also a Green, the junior partner in Germany's governing coalition.
French Ecology Minister Serge Lepeltier said he was "delighted."
And Greenpeace International campaigner Steve Sawyer said US President George W. Bush, whose rejection of Kyoto in 2001 pushed the pact toward extinction, was now isolated.
Getting Russia on board, he said, dealt "a major blow to President Bush and his paymasters in the fossil fuel industry.
"His administration and other climate criminals like Exxon-Mobil have failed in their attempt to wreck Kyoto, even going so far as to suppress the work of their own scientists."
On the other side, Frank Maisano, a Washington lobbyist for the US utilities industry, dismissed the Russian move as "largely symbolic," and called the treaty "meaningless, ineffective and toothless."
And Japanese industry fretted over the economic cost of meeting anti-pollution targets and doubted whether Kyoto was workable.
"It is questionable if the treaty, which commits only one-third of the world's countries to obligations, will prove effective while the United States and China stay out of it," said Yuzo Ichikawa, executive director of the Japan Iron and Steel Federation.
China is a Kyoto member but as a developing country does not have to meet specific targets for cutting emissions.
Russia's ratification is vital for transforming Kyoto from a draft 1997 agreement into a working international treaty. Moscow had for years hedged on whether it would approve the pact.
The Protocol requires industrialized signatories to trim output of six "greenhouse" gases by 2008-2012 compared with their 1990 levels.
In the United States, in the throes of a hotly contested presidential race just days from the November 2 election, Democratic challenger John Kerry made little effort to distance himself from incumbent Bush, saying Kyoto "is not the answer."
"The near-term emission reductions it would require of the United States are unfeasible, while the long-term obligations imposed onm all nations are to litle to solve the problem," he said on his website.
Bush, in the second debate on October 8, said, "Had we joined the Kyoto treaty...it would have cost America a lot of jobs. It's one of these deals where, in order to be popular in the halls of Europe, you sign a treaty...I think there's a better way to do it."
Kerry at the time had accused Bush of not "living in a world of reality with respect to the environment.
"The fact is that the Kyoto treaty was flawed," he said. "But this president didn't try to fix it. He just declared it dead...and we walked away from the work of 160 nations over 10 years.
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________________Anduril 1
It's easy for these other countries to ratify Kyoto. They don't have to do anything under Kyoto.
The EU ratified Kyoto in 2002.
Not one of them has implemented the policies.
The whole thing is absolute bull.
The EU ratified Kyoto in 2002.
Not one of them has implemented the policies.
The whole thing is absolute bull.
The world's worst polluters (China, India) are exempted, so it won't do much to stop pollution. So what's the point in America signing it?
OK, who has the 'Not this crap again' graphic?
YOU!BWA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA!
Seriously, we'll ratify Kyoto when you guys start PRODUCING like we do...but see, by then, you'll all realize Kyoto is a hunk of anti-progress junk and you won't want it either!
"We have no intention of signing or ratifying it. We have not changed our views"
A bit of sanity in an insane world.
"The world's worst polluters (China, India) are exempted, so it won't do much to stop pollution. So what's the point in America signing it?"
The point is the US will be forced to purchase pollution credits from third world countries. Kofi and many of the rest want the money! That's ALL this is about!
Thank God George Bush is our President.
I have posted this before, but it is applicable to this thread.
One of the arrogant statements by Kerry and the libs is that all "reputable" scientists support the idea of global warming by greenhouse gases. This assertion is simply not true. Recently, there has been an excellent series of letters and articles in The Industrial Physicist, which is published by the American Physical Society.
http://www.aip.org/tip/INPHFA/vol-10/iss-5/p4.html
http://www.aip.org/tip/INPHFA/vol-10/iss-4/p4.html
Several key points are made in this debate:
1. Global Warming and CO2 concentration are not correlated historically. Over geologic time scales, CO2 concentration has increased to a factor of 20 over present levels, but this is not correlated with increased global temperature. Indeed, there has been significant glaciation during these periods.
2. The best (time-dependent) connection is that CO2 concentration and global temperature are separated by 600 years AND the CO2 concentration increases 600 years after the temperature increase.
3. The global models do not properly include the changes in the solar flux.
4. The biggest problem with the global models is their large uncertainty, which is of order the actual change. Indeed, the MIT report, on reducing the global model error, shows that at the 2 confidence limit, the error is the same magnitude as the predicted temperature change.
5. The most difficult part of this, scientifically, is the difficulty in determining the error of the error without hard data. Colloquially, the signal is buried in the noise.
6. There has been little measured data except at the polar regions. Contrary to MSM press reports, the polar temperatures are DECREASING and have been for the past 50 years. This effect is exactly the opposite as predicted by the models. (The model prediction of warming is that it is not uniform across the globe but is concentrated at the polar regions) (think Waterworld). The models and the data disagree at this point, which suggests that the uncertainty may be even larger than the MIT report suggests.
It is, perhaps, given this uncertainty, a bit premature to be committing to Kyoto.
Thank the Good Lord for that. And God help us if we ever get Kerry (or any other Democrat) in the White House. They'll sell us out to the U.N. and Kyoto faster than you can say "tax hike."
"His administration and other climate criminals like Exxon-Mobil have failed in their attempt to wreck Kyoto, even going so far as to suppress the work of their own scientists."
Here's a major news organization effectively calling President Bush a criminal. Foaming at the mouth in France is reaching new highs.
Correct. And what a lot of Leftist pseudoscience fails to note is that global warming began at the end of the Ice Age. And lo...humanity didn't have coal-burning plants or the internal combustion engine at that time!
This whole "global warming" nonsense is nothing but one more reason why science should never be handled by committee.
Absolutely no way I would even begin to support any global emissions restrictions without the PRC being held to the same standards. That is absoultey ridiculous.
Interesting that Kyoto doesn't outright recommend nuclear power as a good answer. China is planning 30 (I think thats the right number) and even is willing to let US Companines bid on them. Enviros ignore that solution.
As someone pointed out on another thread, global warming is like the acid rain of the late 70's and 80's. I remember when I was in elementary school I was scared out of my mind by acid rain. I wrote this story (please forgive me I was in 4th grade) about how humanity had to retreat to underground cities in order to save themselves from the ravages of the dread acid rain. It was a tragic tale of man's absoulte disregard for the environment and also a streaming pile of politically correct bullsh*t. In any case, apparently the impact of acid rain wore off so now we are onto global warming - some kid is probably writing an essay at this very moment.
Bolt you?
Bribery and Taxation hidden as "well intentioned environmental responsibility". What a BJ.
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