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ABC Poll: Second Debate Changed Few Minds (W leads 50 to 46 in ABC poll)
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/print?id=156485 ^ | 10/11/04

Posted on 10/11/2004 2:37:35 PM PDT by ambrose

ABC Poll: Second Debate Changed Few Minds

ABC News Poll Shows Debate Had Little Impact on Voter Perceptions

Analysis By
BRIAN HARTMAN

Oct. 11, 2004— The second presidential debate left voter perceptions largely unchanged: John Kerry didn't further advance the gains he scored in the first debate, nor did George W. Bush either cede or reclaim ground.

Kerry remains more competitive in terms of personal popularity than he was before debate No. 1, an important improvement for him. But Bush continues to hold the upper hand on leadership, clarity and the issues of Iraq and terrorism.

Sampling, data collection and tabulation for this poll were done by TNS.

The race between them remains close: Fifty percent of likely voters prefer Bush, 46 percent Kerry, one percent Ralph Nader. These numbers have been quite stable, with Bush between 49 and 51 percent, and Kerry between 45 and 47 percent, since just before their first debate.

Movables

There's some room to move: Fifteen percent of likely voters say their minds are not definitely made up. But just 6 percent are either truly undecided or say there's a "good chance" they may change their minds.

There are essentially equal numbers of movables on each candidate's side — meaning they share the same opportunity, and the same vulnerability, among impressionable voters. That's what makes the debates potentially influential; the candidates meet Wednesday in their third and final debate, focused entirely on domestic issues.

Those issues could be fertile ground for Kerry, and they're of special interest to movable voters. movables are more likely to cite either the economy or health care as the most important issue in their vote — issues on which Kerry is more competitive — and less likely to cite terrorism or Iraq, issues on which Bush is stronger.


Most Important Issue

Issue Movable Voters Definite Voters

Economy and Jobs 28% 23

Health Care 24 9

War in Iraq 18 25

Terrorism 15 25

Education 5 3


But as important as appealing to movables on the issues is the challenge of getting them to turn out on Election Day. They tend to be following the race less closely.

DEBATE

One reason the second debate didn't shake up perceptions is the view that the candidates battled to a draw. Among all likely voters, 35 percent say Kerry won, 32 percent Bush. It also was a draw among debate viewers Friday night.

After the first debate, by contrast, viewers gave Kerry the win by a 9-point margin, and in interviews over the next two days, likely voters more broadly said he'd won by a much wider 52-23 percent.


Who Won the Debate Among Likely Voters

Candidate Second Presidential Debate First Presidential Debate

Bush 32% 23

Kerry 35 52

Tie 16 15

No Opinion 17 10


Gender

Bush's support relies on men, and particularly on married men. Men overall prefer Bush by a 16-point margin, 56-40 percent. And men are 10 points more likely than women to call Bush's top issue, terrorism, the most important issue in their vote.

Married men, in particular, are more likely to be Republicans and more likely to support Bush. And terrorism is a much higher concern among married men than it is among either women or single men. (Among people who call terrorism their top issue — men and women alike — nine in 10 support Bush.)


Most Important Issue

Issue Men Women

Terrorism 28% 18

War in Iraq 21 27

Economy and Jobs 24 23

Health Care 9 13

Education 3 4


In vote preferences, being single — and the demographic differences associated with single people — is as strong a factor as sex. Single men and women alike prefer Kerry over Bush — single men by 58-39 percent, single women by 57-38 percent.

Married women split about evenly. And married men, by contrast, prefer Bush by 63-33 percent.

Methodology

This poll was conducted by telephone Oct. 7-10, 2004, among a random national sample of 2,409 adults, including 2,026 registered voters and 1,601 likely voters. The results have a 2.5-point error margin for the likely voter sample. Sampling, data collection and tabulation are conducted by TNS of Horsham, Pa.

See previous analyses in our Poll Vault.



TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: polls; seconddebate
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1 posted on 10/11/2004 2:37:36 PM PDT by ambrose
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FYI, ABC is using a 4 day rolling sample for its poll, while Washington Post is using a 3 day rolling sample. Thus, Bush has a larger lead in the poll that is relying on more current polling data.


2 posted on 10/11/2004 2:38:55 PM PDT by ambrose (http://www.swiftvets.com)
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To: ambrose

Couple this with WAPOST and it appears that Bush not only won the debate but he won it convincingly enough to move voters into his column. Good news.


3 posted on 10/11/2004 2:39:23 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (Always ask yourself, does this pass the Global Test?)
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To: ambrose
The more people who here about Kerry and his horrible. most liberal record in the Senate and his activities immediately after Vietnam, the more who will shelve him and shove him way back in the dark musty corner he deserves.

Bush and his campaign MUST keep going tooth and nail, like a bulldog, after Kerry's indefensable record.

Senator Kerry, APOLOGZE NOW!.

4 posted on 10/11/2004 2:39:35 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: ambrose

God, these polls are all over the map . . . it's making more dizzy than an out-of-control merry-go-round. Sure wish I could be a fly on the wall of the RNC & DNC polling to know what the real deal is!


5 posted on 10/11/2004 2:40:08 PM PDT by gop_gene
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To: ambrose
Much better sampling and timeframe than the recent Zogby/Gallup silliness...
6 posted on 10/11/2004 2:40:14 PM PDT by atomicpossum (If there are two Americas, John Edwards isn't qualified to lead either of them.©)
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To: ambrose
"This poll was conducted by telephone Oct. 7-10, 2004, among a random national sample of 2,409 adults, including 2,026 registered voters and 1,601 likely voters. The results have a 2.5-point error margin for the likely voter sample. Sampling, data collection and tabulation are conducted by TNS of Horsham, Pa."

Is this poll different than the WAPO tracking poll? Why the difference in horse race number?
7 posted on 10/11/2004 2:41:22 PM PDT by Warlord
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To: ambrose

The internals are slightly misleading by putting the economy #1. They have managed to split the war on terror and war in Iraq but if they asked the people if they thought Iraq does involve the war on terror, most people would connect the two.


8 posted on 10/11/2004 2:41:46 PM PDT by tobyhill (The war on terrorism is not for the weak!)
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To: ambrose

I wonder how much the reporter had to drink before he announced this, poor poor reporter.


9 posted on 10/11/2004 2:41:56 PM PDT by hipaatwo
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To: gop_gene

Let's give Kerry's nuanced views on the law enforcement "nuisance" of terrorist mass murder time to sink in with the general public. W should beat him over the head with that NY Times article in the next debate.


10 posted on 10/11/2004 2:42:32 PM PDT by Callahan
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To: Warlord

Read comment no. 2.


11 posted on 10/11/2004 2:43:13 PM PDT by ambrose (http://www.swiftvets.com)
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To: gop_gene

It will be ok....listen when you read each poll always look at the internals.....that will give you a better idea of what people are thinking.


12 posted on 10/11/2004 2:43:15 PM PDT by Dog
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To: ambrose

One quick point. Many have claimed that undecideds will break for the challenger. However, looking at the internals it seem that a majority of undecideds think Bush is better on Terrorism, Iraq, honesty, etc. That has to make me feel that they will break for Bush.


13 posted on 10/11/2004 2:44:48 PM PDT by KJacob (All polls are equal: Some more equal than others.)
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To: ambrose

Actually its a 6 point lead now, just updated at 5pm 51-45.


14 posted on 10/11/2004 2:46:01 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: finnman69

Has that been posted on FR?


15 posted on 10/11/2004 2:47:52 PM PDT by Dog
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To: ambrose

So WaPo, Rasmussen, and ABC are all pretty much lined up on their results.

And Zogby and Gallup pretty much tell the opposite tale.

I don't trust Zogby, don't know why Gallup's is out of sync with the other mainstream polls.

National polls don't make much difference at this point anyway.


16 posted on 10/11/2004 2:48:46 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: finnman69

Really? Please point me to a link where ABC shows the race at 51 to 45.

Thanks.


17 posted on 10/11/2004 2:49:46 PM PDT by ambrose (http://www.swiftvets.com)
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To: ambrose

I just signed up to go to Philly this Saturday to participate in a Walk for Bush event. My feeling is that instead of fretting over the minutiae of the polls, we should be out there talking to the voters.

This is my first time volunteering for Bush(I was a Democrat.) Come on guys, get out there and show the voters your stuff !


18 posted on 10/11/2004 2:50:16 PM PDT by somerville
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To: ambrose; Dog

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1241929/posts


19 posted on 10/11/2004 2:52:23 PM PDT by TheBigB ("She's a briiick....hoooouuuse...")
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To: ambrose

'Few Minds Changed by Debate' is ABC's way of saying Bush did well.


20 posted on 10/11/2004 2:54:01 PM PDT by skeeter
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