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Kerry Finally Faces The Music
Townhall.com ^ | October 10, 2004 | clifcrds

Posted on 10/11/2004 6:30:43 AM PDT by clifcrds

I have asked this question on this site plus other blog sites as well - Kerry was still legally an officer in the US Navy he met with the Vietnamese Communists in Paris. For this Kerry should have been court marshaled under the United States Code Of Military Justice Article 104 part 904 and should have been tried for treason under the direct violation of Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution. Why hasn’t he been held accountable?

According to this columnist (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/markalexander/welcome.shtml ) Kerry is finally going to face the music. His treasonous actions in 1970-1971 are the subject of an indictment that will be delivered to Senate President Dick Cheney, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist and Attorney General John Ashcroft tomorrow, October 12th.

Why now after all these years? Because Kerry wanted to use his Vietnam history to gain the White House – and contrary to what the Democrats claim, you can’t have it both ways. If Kerry wants to bring Vietnam to the forefront of his campaign he is going to have to deal with his anti-war history too and treason is part of that history. There isn't a statute of limitations for treason.

Even though a decision would not be handed down until after the November 2nd election – this is what is important about this. According to the 14th amendment, Section 3, which states: "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President...having previously taken an oath...to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

Could this be the October Surprise that the Republicans have been talking about? If I am reading this right, by walking on stage at the Democratic Convention in August, saluting the crowd, and stating that he was reporting for duty, this might not have just cost Kerry the White House but his seat in the Senate too.

A copy of this has been sent to the Drudge.


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1 posted on 10/11/2004 6:30:44 AM PDT by clifcrds
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To: clifcrds

Whoa!


2 posted on 10/11/2004 6:32:33 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever ("...upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.")
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To: clifcrds

It also should be noted, that Kerry was NOT discharged honorable, but rather dishonorable, and not until 2001 - 20 yrs later. Clinton must have been in the mix to fix Kerry's record. Not to release a 180 on Kerry's part is because it would show that he lied.


3 posted on 10/11/2004 6:33:20 AM PDT by Inge C (,)
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To: clifcrds

You can believe this if you like, but it ain't gonna happen.


4 posted on 10/11/2004 6:34:09 AM PDT by Restorer (Europe is heavily armed, but only with envy.)
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To: clifcrds

Any quack can send something to Cheney, Ashcroft, et al. Doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of having anything done about it. This is tinfoil hat stuff.

If there are pics of Kerry in bed with Ho Chi Minh it wouldn't lead to any action on this "indictment."


5 posted on 10/11/2004 6:35:00 AM PDT by peyton randolph (That smell isn't roadkill...it is the typical cheese-eating surrender monkey)
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To: clifcrds

Something tells me this ain't gonna happen.


6 posted on 10/11/2004 6:35:16 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush)
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To: Travis McGee

This would be a great place for you to post the email that you sent me re Moi Kerri's discharge.


7 posted on 10/11/2004 6:35:55 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (When will the ABCNNBC BS lunatic libs stop Rathering to Americans? Answer: NEVER!)
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To: clifcrds

Better late than never. Even though this attempt to correct the wrongs done by this maroon is a day late and a dollar short...I fully support exposing this scum to the American people. Despite the liberal belief that we are all stupid and need them and their wealth re-distribution programs to survive...we usually see right through the smokescreen when it comes to treason and anti-American activities. Here's hoping this gets some traction! This is not only hugh, it is also series ;)


8 posted on 10/11/2004 6:36:53 AM PDT by borisbob69 (Old shade is better than new shade!)
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To: clifcrds

The header makes it sound like an actual indictment is going to be handed down by a law enforcement entity. THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS STORY SAYS.

All that is happening is that some group is presenting the officials mentioned with an "indictment" they have put together.

This will go absolutely no where [even if it is true].


9 posted on 10/11/2004 6:36:57 AM PDT by Pete
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To: clifcrds
According to this columnist http://www.townhall.com/columnists/markalexander/welcome.shtml ) Kerry is finally going to face the music. His treasonous actions in 1970-1971 are the subject of an indictment that will be delivered to Senate President Dick Cheney, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist and Attorney General John Ashcroft tomorrow, October 12th.

If he was, in fact, covered by Jimmy Carter's blanket pardon of VietNam offenses, as many hypothesize, then these actions legally, never took place.

So9

10 posted on 10/11/2004 6:37:33 AM PDT by Servant of the 9 (Screwing the Inscrutable or is it Scruting the Inscrewable?)
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To: clifcrds
I agree with your conclusion, but there is one problem with the charge of treason:

LAWS DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERALS!

This is what the Leftists of this country truly believe!

11 posted on 10/11/2004 6:41:38 AM PDT by NoClones
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To: clifcrds

Yeah, after reading the entire article, I expect this will be dead and buried in a lonely grave before Nov. 2.


12 posted on 10/11/2004 6:46:18 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever ("...upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.")
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To: clifcrds

hmmmm....

Thoughtful bump.


13 posted on 10/11/2004 6:50:05 AM PDT by Ronin (When the fox gnaws....SMILE!)
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To: Rutles4Ever; clifcrds
Instead of holding your breath waiting for this to happen, consider donating to the fine folks already taking action against this treasonous dork.

https://www.swiftvets.com/swift/ccdonation.php?op=donate&site=SwiftVets

14 posted on 10/11/2004 6:50:45 AM PDT by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: Servant of the 9
Jimmy Carter's blanket pardon of VietNam offenses

Comrade Carters pardon was for selective service offenses, not UCMJ offenses.
It allowed the draft dodging scum to return from Canada.
It did not give a pass to military members committing treason.

15 posted on 10/11/2004 6:52:34 AM PDT by ASA Vet (I'm willing to mind your business, if the government pays me enough.)
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To: clifcrds

He needs to become the poster-boy for future candidates as the pinnacle of what not to do. The dungocraps really should research their guys before they pick them... That is unless this was some giant conspiracy to re-elect Bush... heheh


16 posted on 10/11/2004 6:57:52 AM PDT by Se7eN
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To: clifcrds
From an earlier article by Mark Alexander, http://www.townhall.com/columnists/markalexander/welcome.shtml:

"Kerry is, indubitably, the Left's most "useful idiot" (as V.I. Lenin famously labeled Western apologists for socialist propaganda) in contemporary politics. Ion Mihai Pacepa, the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to defect from the Soviet bloc, said of Kerry's anti-American activities during the Vietnam War, "KGB priority number one at that time was to damage American power, judgment and credibility. ... As a spy chief and a general in the former Soviet satellite of Romania, I produced the very same vitriol Kerry repeated to the U.S. Congress almost word for word and planted it in leftist movements."

But Kerry's infamous (and unlawful) coddling of Vietnamese Communists some 35 years ago (see "Aid and comfort to the enemy: The Kerry Record...") was not his last rendezvous with the Reds. After his election to the Senate in 1984 (as Ted Kennedy's understudy), Kerry spent years dismissing claims by POW family groups that some Americans were still being held in Vietnam and Cambodia. And he has, since, given aid and comfort to plenty of other Red regimes, including some in this hemisphere.

For example, in 1985 Kerry courted Daniel Ortega and his Communist regime in Nicaragua, even traveling to visit his "Dear Comandante" in Managua. Kerry returned to the U.S., where he advocated a policy of appeasement rather than continued funding of Ortega's opponents, the anti-Communist Contras. In 1988 Kerry attempted to make political hay of U.S. policy in Central America by using his Senate committee as a launch-pad to accuse George H.W. Bush of sanctioning a Contra drug-smuggling operation that was importing cocaine into California. The unfounded charges were, not surprisingly, timed to coincide with the elder Bush's campaign against Massachusetts Governor Michael Dukakis, under whom Kerry had served as lieutenant governor.

In 1996, Kerry accepted a $10,000 campaign contribution in return for arranging a meeting between Honk Kong businesswoman Liu Chaohying and a senior Securities and Exchange official in order to get Chaohying's company listed on the U.S. Stock Exchange. Chaohying was a lieutenant colonel in Red China's People's Liberation Army. That same year, Kerry traveled to Beijing on a "U.S. trade mission." Here it's worth noting that the ChiComs never forget their useful idiots; the People's Daily, the official newspaper of the Communist Party of China, has endorsed Kerry's presidential bid.

But Kerry's fondness for despotic regimes did not subside in the '90s. In March of this year, Kerry was asked on a campaign stop in Florida about his affiliation with Cuba's Fidel Castro and his oppressive regime. Given the number of Cuban expatriates in Florida who fled Castro's slave island, Kerry answered, "I'm pretty tough on Castro. ... I voted for the Helms-Burton legislation to be tough on companies that deal with him." (Would someone kindly cue the laugh track?)

Helms-Burton, you may recall, strengthened the U.S. embargo against Cuba after Fidel's fighter jets shot down two single-engine civilian aircraft over international waters, killing four Cuban ex-pats. The small planes belonged to Brothers to the Rescue, an organization of small aircraft owners who volunteered their time flying over the waters between Cuba and the Keys, and alerting the Coast Guard when they came upon Cuban refugees on makeshift rafts who needed rescue.

However, Kerry voted against Helms-Burton, and he later clarified his support for Castro by arguing that the embargo should be lifted. "The only reason [Cuba is treated differently from other Communist nations] is the politics of Florida," said Kerry. Of course, the ever-opportunistic Kerry wasn't campaigning in Florida at the time of that "clarification."

Indeed, John Kerry has a well-documented record of anti-American activities, especially aiding Communist regimes. But the "aid and comfort" he gave to North Vietnamese Communists in 1971 (while still a U.S. naval officer, and while Americans were still fighting, dying, and being held captive by that regime) is the most grievous of these transgressions. http://www.townhall.com/columnists/markalexander/welcome.shtml

Like Senator Clinton, the MSM refuses to ask Senator Kerry HARD QUESTIONS - these accusations are factual and can be easily researched - it is a know fact that Senator Kerry has made his rise in politics on the backs of Americans who stand for freedom and fought for it, in favor of our enemies. Senator Kerry Must answer these questions and produce his Form 180.

17 posted on 10/11/2004 6:59:53 AM PDT by yoe ("Here's my strategy on the Cold War: We win, they lose." Ronald Reagan)
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To: clifcrds

Excellent!!


18 posted on 10/11/2004 7:01:42 AM PDT by igoramus987
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To: clifcrds

At the link you posted is the following article with a different title:

John Kerry: More 'aid and comfort'...
Mark Alexander

October 8, 2004

"In a word, I want an American character, that the powers of Europe may be convinced we act for ourselves and not for others; this, in my judgment, is the only way to be respected abroad and happy at home." --George Washington

In recent months, this column has set about to distinguish manifestly between President George W. Bush and Sen. John F. Kerry in regard to character, policy matters and competing visions for our nation's future.

After George Bush's razor-thin and highly contested victory over Albert Gore in 2000, many political observers argued (and continue to insist) that there are few distinctions between the Republican and Democrat parties. Indeed, in regard to some seminal issues that once distinguished party lines -- most notably central government spending -- those lines are now blurred. Additionally, the recent Republican National Convention headlined party moderates like Rudy Giuliani, John McCain and Arnold Schwarzenegger, who disagree with significant elements of the Republican Platform, while also featuring Democrat Zell Miller, who agrees with most of the GOP Platform. This, understandably, leaves some with the impression that the two parties have all but merged.

To be sure, there is a semblance between the background of the presidential incumbent and his challenger. Bush and Kerry are contemporaries who hail from wealth and privilege, from prestigious prep schools and Ivy League universities, and from political dynasties in their respective home states. During their tenures in national office, both Bush and Kerry have advocated, respectively, for big and bigger central government spending programs.

But are there notable variances in policy matters between George Bush and John Kerry? You bet -- which is precisely why this presidential campaign is being bitterly waged, mostly between centrist Republicans and leftist Democrats. While the national party lines may seem fluid, the political lines which separate Bush and Kerry and their respective ranks are cast-iron.

Volumes have been written about the sizeable chasm separating the character of President Bush and John Kerry -- the distance between their values as reflected in their disagreement over public policies concerning family and faith, their diametrical selection criteria for federal-bench nominees, and their opposing views on taxation. While these are important distinctions, their most significant policy divergence relates to U.S. national security -- the first order of a president's Constitutional duties, the palladium without which all other duties become meaningless. And it is this critical difference which should be foremost in the minds of voters on 2 November.

Indeed, this difference couldn't have been any clearer than during the first presidential-candidate debate (see "We will not waver..."). In a discussion about the President's obligation to protect the country with pre-emptive military action, Kerry insisted that such pre-emption must first pass "the global test." In other words, any pre-emptive action by a "President Kerry" would first require a thumbs-up from the likes of France, Germany and the perennially hostile United Nations.

For his part, George W. Bush has steadfastly advocated Ronald Reagan's foreign policy dictum -- Si vis Pacem, Para Bellum (to maintain peace, prepare for war), which has deep roots in our national foundation. George Washington, in his first address to the nation (8 January 1790), proclaimed, "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace."

That resolve notwithstanding, on 11 September 2001, after eight years of military-budget depredation, foreign-policy ambiguity and outright appeasement under the Clinton regime (with full collusion from John Kerry), George Bush and our nation were dealt a heretofore-unimaginable blow by a suicidal gang of Islamist cutthroats. As a result, President Bush was forced to demonstrate not only his commitment to military readiness, but also his willingness to use the ultimate instrument of diplomacy, military force, in defense of our nation. Consequently, his proficiency as Commander in Chief is well established.

John Kerry, on the other hand, has spent much of his political career denigrating American military personnel and the nation they defend, while advocating for policies of appeasement -- the same policies that made lower Manhattan, Northern Virginia and a field in Pennsylvania the front lines in our war with Jihadistan (see "Jihadistan: A clear and present danger...").

On its face, Kerry's endorsement of appeasement resembles the yellow streak of his contemporary Leftist ilk; long gone are the days of robust, hawkish Democrats like Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson. But on closer examination, Kerry's sordid history of collaboration with Communist regimes for more than three decades, even in times of war, raises much more serious questions about his motives and his fitness for the highest office in the land.

Kerry is, indubitably, the Left's most "useful idiot" (as V.I. Lenin famously labeled Western apologists for socialist propaganda) in contemporary politics. Ion Mihai Pacepa, the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to defect from the Soviet bloc, said of Kerry's anti-American activities during the Vietnam War, "KGB priority number one at that time was to damage American power, judgment and credibility. ... As a spy chief and a general in the former Soviet satellite of Romania, I produced the very same vitriol Kerry repeated to the U.S. Congress almost word for word and planted it in leftist movements."

But Kerry's infamous (and unlawful) coddling of Vietnamese Communists some 35 years ago (see "Aid and comfort to the enemy: The Kerry Record...") was not his last rendezvous with the Reds. After his election to the Senate in 1984 (as Ted Kennedy's understudy), Kerry spent years dismissing claims by POW family groups that some Americans were still being held in Vietnam and Cambodia. And he has, since, given aid and comfort to plenty of other Red regimes, including some in this hemisphere.

For example, in 1985 Kerry courted Daniel Ortega and his Communist regime in Nicaragua, even traveling to visit his "Dear Comandante" in Managua. Kerry returned to the U.S., where he advocated a policy of appeasement rather than continued funding of Ortega's opponents, the anti-Communist Contras. In 1988 Kerry attempted to make political hay of U.S. policy in Central America by using his Senate committee as a launch-pad to accuse George H.W. Bush of sanctioning a Contra drug-smuggling operation that was importing cocaine into California. The unfounded charges were, not surprisingly, timed to coincide with the elder Bush's campaign against Massachusetts Governor Michael Dukakis, under whom Kerry had served as lieutenant governor.

In 1996, Kerry accepted a $10,000 campaign contribution in return for arranging a meeting between Honk Kong businesswoman Liu Chaohying and a senior Securities and Exchange official in order to get Chaohying's company listed on the U.S. Stock Exchange. Chaohying was a lieutenant colonel in Red China's People's Liberation Army. That same year, Kerry traveled to Beijing on a "U.S. trade mission." Here it's worth noting that the ChiComs never forget their useful idiots; the People's Daily, the official newspaper of the Communist Party of China, has endorsed Kerry's presidential bid.

But Kerry's fondness for despotic regimes did not subside in the '90s. In March of this year, Kerry was asked on a campaign stop in Florida about his affiliation with Cuba's Fidel Castro and his oppressive regime. Given the number of Cuban expatriates in Florida who fled Castro's slave island, Kerry answered, "I'm pretty tough on Castro. ... I voted for the Helms-Burton legislation to be tough on companies that deal with him." (Would someone kindly cue the laugh track?)

Helms-Burton, you may recall, strengthened the U.S. embargo against Cuba after Fidel's fighter jets shot down two single-engine civilian aircraft over international waters, killing four Cuban ex-pats. The small planes belonged to Brothers to the Rescue, an organization of small aircraft owners who volunteered their time flying over the waters between Cuba and the Keys, and alerting the Coast Guard when they came upon Cuban refugees on makeshift rafts who needed rescue.

However, Kerry voted against Helms-Burton, and he later clarified his support for Castro by arguing that the embargo should be lifted. "The only reason [Cuba is treated differently from other Communist nations] is the politics of Florida," said Kerry. Of course, the ever-opportunistic Kerry wasn't campaigning in Florida at the time of that "clarification."

Indeed, John Kerry has a well-documented record of anti-American activities, especially aiding Communist regimes. But the "aid and comfort" he gave to North Vietnamese Communists in 1971 (while still a U.S. naval officer, and while Americans were still fighting, dying, and being held captive by that regime) is the most grievous of these transgressions.

His treasonous actions in 1970-1971 are the subject of an indictment that will be delivered to Senate President Dick Cheney, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist and Attorney General John Ashcroft on 12 October. The indictment notes both Kerry's UCMJ and U.S. Code (18 USC 2381) violations, and it calls for his disqualification for public office in accordance with the Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, which states: "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President...having previously taken an oath...to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

Why issue this indictment now? Because John Kerry chose to make his Vietnam war record the centerpiece of his presidential campaign (see "Kerry's Quagmire..."). In response, more than 160,000 signatories of the aforementioned indictment have made it the centerpiece of their campaign to disqualify him from public office.

Clearly, there will be no determination on these charges until after 2 November, but Kerry will be held to account for his treasonous actions -- for there is no statute of limitations on treason.

For those who would argue that Kerry's anti-American activities in 1971, which clearly cost American lives in Vietnam, do not reflect the nature of the man today, we refer you to this statement from Kerry from the first debate. On the subject of our troops engaged in Iraq, Kerry remarked, "It is vital for us not to confuse the war -- ever -- with the warriors. That happened before."

Indeed, it did happen before, and it is happening again today.

Kerry can't have it both ways. There is a direct correlation between his undermining of U.S. and Allied resolve in the war against terrorism -- specifically on the Iraqi warfront with Jihadistan -- and American and Allied causalities on that front. Those forces, including countless Iraqis, are being injured and killed in larger numbers because of the political dissent Kerry and his ilk are fomenting.

During Tuesday night's vice-presidential debate, John Edwards unwittingly provided the evidence for this very correlation: "We lost more troops in September than we lost in August; lost more in August than we lost in July; lost more in July than we lost in June."

As the hand-wringing of the Kerry/Edwards ticket grows stronger, so too does the spirit of the enemy. And while the net effect can certainly be felt in American and Allied casualties in Iraq, it may also yet be felt more dramatically in al-Qa'ida's efforts to ensure the election of its useful-idiot appeasers.

Perhaps the most instructive question that can be asked regarding U.S. national security, the protection of Americans and our vital interests, is this: Given the chance, would Saddam Hussein, Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi, Osama bin Laden, Kim Jong-Il, Mohammad Khatami, Moammar al-Ghadafi and Hu Jingtao vote for a) George Bush, or b) John Kerry? How would Jacques Chirac, Gerhard Schroeder and Kofi Annan vote?


19 posted on 10/11/2004 7:02:28 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: clifcrds

ping to MistyCA

Check and checkmate.


20 posted on 10/11/2004 7:04:12 AM PDT by wizr (President Bush has several plans, and they are already working.)
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