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Lost Nuclear Bomb Becomes Legend in Ga.
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Posted on 10/03/2004 11:37:15 AM PDT by Happy2BMe

TYBEE ISLAND, Ga. Oct. 3, 2004 — Below the deck of his shrimp boat, W.G. Smith recounts the story of his big catch more than 40 years ago.

It was 1959 or 1960, as best Smith remembers, as he trawled for shrimp off the coast of Georgia. His net snagged on something large, an object so heavy he had to get a diving buddy to shake the net loose.

"He dived down and when he came up he said, 'That's a bomb,'" recalled Smith, 72. "I really didn't think much of it. I thought he was cutting the fool or something."

Smith's story still fascinates his 50-year-old son, Glenn. The younger Smith figures his father caught the so-called "Tybee bomb," a 7,600-pound nuclear device dumped by a damaged B-47 bomber in February 1958.

In this beach community east of Savannah, the lost bomb has been a legend for so long, it's hard to separate fact from folklore.

For the first time in 46 years, the Air Force last week led a team of experts to investigate reports of radiation traces that might reveal the bomb's location.

"I thought it was over here, and then I kept hearing it was over there," said handyman Harold Michael, wildly pointing in several directions from his seat at the bar at Cafe Loco. "You listen about and there's probably a thousand stories out here."

Islanders remain divided over whether the Air Force should recover the bomb or leave it. The government says the Mark-15 nuke is incapable of an atomic explosion, though it still contains about 400 pounds of conventional explosives.

Some residents have responded to the search with humor. Financial adviser Joe Rochefort said he's conspiring with friends to form a "volunteer bomb squad" to spoof the search.

"We're going to wrap up in blankets with divining rods and inner tubes and go out there and find the damn thing," Rochefort said. "We like the notoriety. It's just something to talk about."

Others, like technical writer Ernie Love, see a more serious side to the search.

"It's good that they're looking for it and taking care of business, which they probably should have done 50 years ago," Love said over a cold beer at Doc's Bar. "Just think if it would fall into terrorists' hands."

Three years ago, island Mayor Walter Parker and the City Council sent a resolution to the Air Force, asking that the bomb be located before the military declared it non-threatening. Five months later, the Air Force rejected a renewed search.

Now, Derek Duke, a retired Air Force pilot who has privately sought the lost bomb for five years, says he has detected radiation patterns that likely mark the bomb's resting place near the southern tip of uninhabited Little Tybee Island, about four miles south of the Tybee beach community.

So the military sent a team of 20 experts to gather water and soil samples Thursday. A final report will not be ready for several weeks.

Glenn Smith said he has been tempted to fetch the nuke himself.

"I asked a friend, 'Can I borrow your boat?' I said, 'I think I can go get it,'" he said, pointing on a navigational chart to the spot where his father believes he snared the bomb about two miles from where the Air Force investigated.

Smith's father, who says he let the mystery drop after retrieving his net, sees no need for anyone to hunt for the lost bomb.

"My thought is, no. It's been there all these years," he said. "I see no reason. Let sleeping dogs lie."



TOPICS: Extended News
KEYWORDS: bomb; georgia; hydorgen; lost; nuclear; shrimp; tybeebomb


(AP Photo)Glenn Smith, jr. leans on the rigging of his 65-foot shrimp boat the Agnes Marie, Thursday, Sept. 30, 2004, while at dock in Tybee Island, Ga. just a few miles from where a group of federal scientists are searching for a hydrogen bomb that was lost in 1958. Smith and his father have fished the waters around coastal Georgia all of their lives and have their own tales of "The Tybee Bomb", as some locals call it. (AP Photo/Stephen Morton)
1 posted on 10/03/2004 11:37:15 AM PDT by Happy2BMe
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To: MeekOneGOP; PhilDragoo; potlatch; Smartass; Grampa Dave; B4Ranch; Geist Krieger
You've heard of finding old quarters with metal detectores?

Well, how about let's go (nuclear) bomb hunting in a shrimp boat- ping.

2 posted on 10/03/2004 11:39:02 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (Just 31 more days until November 2nd.)
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To: Happy2BMe

the Georgia nuclear bomb isn't lost. His name is Zell Miller.


3 posted on 10/03/2004 11:42:42 AM PDT by kingattax
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As in, have you heard the one about the lost nuke from Georgia? He used to ride a crimson stallion and go about abducting cute Polarisi lady-missiles from hither and beyond. And all the while he would shout out his famous war-cry "Erm.... excuse me....." (ok, the last was plagiarised, but I've just been reading Sourcery, so help me! )


4 posted on 10/03/2004 11:47:44 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: Happy2BMe
Let sleeping dogs lie.

"Nah! Ah'll go thar and find it!"


5 posted on 10/03/2004 12:01:00 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: kingattax

I am Zell Miller's biggest fan!


6 posted on 10/03/2004 12:32:01 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Just 31 more days until November 2nd.)
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To: MeekOneGOP

heheh ..


7 posted on 10/03/2004 12:32:30 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Just 31 more days until November 2nd.)
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To: Happy2BMe
Here's an apocryphal story to add to this tale (or it may be true, I haven't looked it up): according to this story, the reason that the search for the Georgia bomb was stopped was to try to recover another broken arrow up in the neighboring state of South Carolina that happened shortly after. When that South Carolina search ended (successfully, if memory serves), the Georgia search was never taken back up.

Does anyone know anymore about this? Or is feeling ambitious enough to do a Google search?

8 posted on 10/03/2004 12:42:10 PM PDT by snowsislander
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To: snowsislander; MeekOneGOP; Cronos; kingattax
I asked a "war daddy" friend of mine who was in the US Army in '58. He said he remembers getting wind of the story while he was serving in Alaska after the Korean War but that the DoD quickly classified the project TS and nothing else was ever heard of it until now. I think this is fascinating and I doubt it is the only 'big fish' laying at the bottom of the ocean. I'd bet the Russians have more than one lurking in the deep out there also . . .

There is a lot of 'tention for the Tybee . .

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Air Force photo of a bomb like that lost off Tybee.
Air Force photo of a bomb like that lost off Tybee.

The bomb lost off Tybee Island decades back is relatively small, but potentially lethal. The hunt for the cold-war-era nuke continued today in the middle of Wassaw Sound. They didn't find the bomb. In fact, they weren't actually looking for it.

Bomb experts were taking radiation samples. They want to see if new information about the bomb's possible location match up with government tests.

Federal officials have searched before, and the bomb has never been found. But the US Air Force warns danger still exists.

"If someone looks for it, they could set it off and cause an explosion," said Lt. Col. Frank Smolinsky. "But it would not be an impact felt in the island or coast near Savannah."

"It would not be a simple snatch and grab," said Dr. Billy Mullins, an Air Force bomb expert.

According to Dr. Mullins, new information about high radiation levels in Wassaw Sound, just four miles from Tybee, have led scientists back to the Tybee bomb enigma to test the waters one more time.

"When we go back and publish our reports, we want to make sure we covered the area and can explain it," he said.

Bomb experts are going out in the water, testing an area the size of a football field. They are taking soil and water samples.

And the man who is responsible for getting the Air Force back out here, Derek Duke, says he's not even sure if the bomb is down below the water. "Even though I've done my reading and calculations, there is no sure bet," he told us.

Duke has interviewed the pilots involved in the 1958 bomber collision which sent the Mark 15 into the water. Using their exact coordinates and his tools, Duke's newest findings have forced the government to take notice.

"If the bomb is the cause of the radiation, we will deal with it, that is our goal," said  Lt. Col. Frank Smolinsky.

It may take at least least weeks before we know what their test results are and whether the mystery of the Tybee bomb will end up being solved after all these years.

Google the Tybee H-Bomb

9 posted on 10/03/2004 2:02:32 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Just 31 more days until November 2nd.)
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Published on Tuesday, August 21, 2001 in The Times of London
There's an H-bomb in Our Swamp
by Edward Welsh
 
In 1958, a US warplane jettisoned a device in a marsh in Georgia. Was it a nuclear weapon? No, says the Pentagon. But new evidence has raised doubts.

Ken Wade is nudging his fishing boat through the narrow creeks that cut into the steamy coastal swamps of Georgia. Twenty yards away pelicans preen, but they are not his concern. Wade is here to point out the site that he believes to be the final resting place of a nuclear bomb, jettisoned 43 years ago somewhere off the mouth of the Savannah River by a disabled B47 airplane.

“In the middle of the grass, I once floated into a circle of clear water,” he recalls, pointing towards the dense, red-tipped reeds stretching south of the river mouth. “If you step on the marsh, you would sink up to your waist. I believe the bomb landed in that spot and sank deep into the mud, creating a crater which over the years is being reclaimed by the grass.”

Wade lives on nearby Tybee Island, where many of the 3,500 inhabitants believe that there is a fully primed nuclear weapon, 100 times more powerful than the bomb dropped on Hiroshima, stuck somewhere in their muddy backyard. Even though Tybee welcomes three million visitors each year to its beach, the mayor and city officers continue to draw attention to the bomb by demanding that the Government digs it up.

In 1958 the US Air Force insisted that the bomber had jettisoned nothing more than a simulated weapon, used for training purposes — little more than a metal shell stuffed with TNT. But to the intense annoyance of the Pentagon, four decades later the issue is again tormenting it.

In the past year, enthusiasts with a passion for uncovering Cold War secrets have stumbled upon an official document, apparently inadvertently declassified, which states that the Tybee bomb was a “complete weapon”. Furthermore, a former serviceman who loaded bombs on to B47s has emerged to contradict the Air Force’s position.

Despite the Pentagon’s firm denials that there is anything amiss, this new evidence has forced it to look into the possibility of searching for the missing bomb under the eyes of Georgia congressmen and the American media.

What is not in dispute is that on the night of February 4-5, 1958, a B47 bomber set out from Homestead Air Force Base in Florida with a Mark 15 Mod 0 on board. This was one of America’s earliest thermonuclear bombs, containing 400lb of conventional explosives and uranium. The 7,600lb weapon was designed with a removable nuclear capsule, or plutonium trigger. The Pentagon insists that this key piece of equipment was not on board.

At 3.30am on February 5, the bomber collided with an F86 fighter jet in midair. The jet crashed after the pilot baled out, and the bomber crew made three unsuccessful attempts to land at Hunter army airfield outside Savannah.

The Pentagon says that because of damage to the aircraft, “its airspeed could not be reduced enough to ensure a safe landing”, so permission was given to jettison the weapon to prevent a conventional explosion caused by a crash landing at Hunter.

At 7,200ft, the device was released “into the water several miles from the mouth of the Savannah River in Wassaw Sound, off Tybee Beach”.

In the first few days after the collision, the Air Force did not mention that anything had been jettisoned. But some days later it was announced that “a portion of a nuclear weapon” had been released in the area. The Air Force added that there was no danger of a radioactive explosion, presenting one local newspaper with the chance to publish the headline “Jettison of Nuclear Weapon Here Disclosed”.

It is easy to understand the Pentagon’s embarrassment. The accident happened in the middle of the Cold War. In the previous October, the Soviet Union had launched Sputnik, beating the Americans in putting the first man-made object into space. This added to fears in Washington that Moscow had stolen a march in the development of intercontinental ballistic missile technology.

After refueling, B47 bombers were capable of reaching the Soviet Union. Although the Pentagon insists that the bomber involved in the collision was on only a training mission, it accepts that in early 1958 other B47s were taking off from America with armed Mark 15s on board.

Off the Savannah River, an intensive search took place using ships with divers and underwater demolition teams. Local newspapers reported that the Air Force was anxious to recover the “portion” of the weapon it had admitted losing, for security reasons and because it was an “expensive part”.

But after three square miles had been examined over more than two months, the search was called off and the bomb was officially declared “irretrievably lost”. Major Harold Richardson, the bomber pilot, received the Distinguished Flying Cross for saving the aircraft and its crew, and the island returned to its insouciant ways. As the years passed, the Tybee bomb became just another of the martial tales recounted by locals during sleepy afternoons spent in hammocks.

This stretch of coast, where the American continent peters out in a series of steamy creeks, swamps and wooded sandbanks, was strategically important for a long time because the Savannah River was the gateway to the cotton fields of Georgia and South Carolina.

Pirates used Tybee as a haven for decades, and General James Oglethorpe, the Englishman who founded Savannah, built a small fort there in 1733. Forty-six years later, in one of the bloodiest battles of the War of Independence, American and French troops used Tybee as a base for their unsuccessful attempt to capture the city.

During the Civil War, Union forces, having stormed Tybee, forced Confederate forces on a nearby island to surrender. Only last year, a civil war mine was discovered at the river entrance. But with the demise of cotton after the civil war, the area became a backwater. Tybee has wooden houses reminiscent of the West Indies, and its inhabitants tend to rise early for church — and drink late. Butterflies the size of a hand fly between palm trees and live on oaks decorated with Spanish moss. Cranes, blue herons and marsh hens colonize the marshes, and bottlenose dolphins greet passing skiffs.

The backwoods calm was punctured this year by the arrival of Lt-Col Derek Duke, who claimed to have fresh evidence that a hydrogen bomb with the power to wipe out Tybee and Savannah and to send tidal waves up and down the East Coast of America did indeed exist in their midst.

The retired USAF pilot, who says that he ran a National Security Agency operation in Vietnam, agrees to meet me in the parlor of a fine mansion in one of Savannah’s squares.

On first impressions it would be easy to dismiss Duke as an eccentric. A short man, nearer 60 than 50, he has an unnatural-looking head of black hair and seems to be obsessed with the Tybee bomb as an example of how the federal Government is bent on conspiring against Americans.

Originally from Savannah but now living and working as a flying instructor in nearby Statesboro, Duke also has a financial interest in the bomb. He has formed a consortium which has offered to find the device for the Pentagon at a cost of £600,000.

And last year, Duke, acting as a “clearing house” for information from other like-minded people, received the best piece of evidence to date to contradict the Pentagon’s case that the Tybee bomb was unarmed.

In 1966 Chet Holifield, the chairman of the Congressional Joint Committee on Atomic Energy, was angered by adverse publicity from that year’s Palomares incident in Spain, in which another midair collision caused the temporary loss — for 80 days — of a nuclear bomb by the US Air Force.

To investigate, he held a hearing behind closed doors and asked Jack Howard, then assistant to Robert McNamara, the Secretary of Defense, to provide the committee with a list of accidents in which nuclear weapons had been lost and never recovered. Howard’s response referred to four accidents divided into two categories, one involving “complete weapons”, the other “weapon-less capsules”.

The Tybee bomb was included in the first category.

Howard’s note, on paper from the Office of the Secretary of Defense and stamped “Secret”, was declassified in 1994 and remained unnoticed until it was passed to Duke.

The amateur sleuth has also produced a witness. Howard Nixon worked as a crew chief loading nuclear weapons on to planes at Hunter airfield from 1957 to 1959. He says: “Never in my air force career did I load a nuclear weapon without installing a nuclear capsule in it first.”

Duke’s evidence reached Jack Kingston, the congressman for the Savannah area, who demanded that the Air Force should look again into whether there was a live nuclear bomb in his home district. The politician’s intervention encouraged the Pentagon to reopen the case, commissioning the Air Force Nuclear Weapons and Counterproliferation Agency to carry out an inquiry into the possibility of making a new search for the bomb.

The Pentagon says that it went back and cross-checked receipts for delivery of the Tybee bomb to Major Richardson, and other documents, which confirmed that the device was unarmed.

Lt-Col Steve Campbell, a Pentagon spokesman, says that Howard, who now lives in Albuquerque, New Mexico, made a mistake by listing the Tybee bomb as a “complete weapon”. “We have discussed this letter with Mr Howard and he agrees that the accident should have been categorized as one involving a ‘weapon-less capsule’,” the official says.

Duke remains unconvinced. “Are you telling me that the right-hand man to the Secretary of Defense, with all the resources of the Department of Defense, gets a detail like that wrong to a congressional investigation that is taking the issue of lost bombs very seriously?” he asks.

“McNamara would have eaten Howard alive if he had been that sloppy.”

The Pentagon’s newly commissioned inquiry concluded that there should be no attempt to find the device, and that it was best left wherever it was. As it was unarmed, it followed that there was no danger of a nuclear explosion off Tybee.

The spread of heavy metals leaching from the bomb was also a low risk, the inquiry said, and the conventional explosives, if left undisturbed, posed no hazard. However, if there were an attempt made to move the bomb, believed to be up to 15ft under the sea bed, there could be an accidental detonation of the TNT, which could seriously damage the regional aquifer and local drinking water supplies.

Lt-Col Donald Robbins, the deputy director of the Air Force’s nuclear weapons agency, adds that loaders did not know what they were putting on to the B47 — this was known only to the crew. He also insists the bomb jettisoned that night was a simulated weapon. “There was no plutonium, no nuclear capsule, on board,” he says.

Congressman Kingston accepted the findings of the latest inquiry but Tom Cannon, Tybee’s city manager, remains unhappy. Sitting in Fannie’s, a beachside eatery which attracts customers with an image of three female bottoms about to be nipped by a crab, he explains that his 21-year career in the Army, where he was involved in intelligence, has made him wary of taking the Pentagon at its word.

“One thing you learn is to use weasel words with the best,” he says. “You tell me this: 40 years ago, why did they spend two months looking for a bomb if it was a fake?


10 posted on 10/03/2004 2:04:34 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Just 31 more days until November 2nd.)
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To: Happy2BMe

BTTT


11 posted on 10/03/2004 2:08:11 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Happy2BMe

he explains that his 21-year career in the Army, where he was involved in intelligence, has made him wary of taking the Pentagon at its word.

“One thing you learn is to use weasel words with the best,” he says. “You tell me this: 40 years ago, why did they spend two months looking for a bomb if it was a fake?


12 posted on 10/03/2004 6:28:26 PM PDT by B4Ranch (´´Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are our teeth for Liberty)
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To: Happy2BMe

My Father in Law found gold and silver rings by the dozen, using a metal detector on Galveston beach!


13 posted on 10/03/2004 7:34:03 PM PDT by potlatch (Sometimes I think I understand everything, then I regain consciousness.)
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Thanks. I'll have to remember that next time I go down to Florida.


14 posted on 10/03/2004 7:45:43 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Just 31 more days until November 2nd.)
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To: Happy2BMe

If I had good hearing I would use the detector we have. My Father in law said he learned to 'know' the difference in sound it made for gold or other metals!

South Padre island doesn't allow them. I guess they're afraid someone might find 'pirate gold'!!


15 posted on 10/03/2004 7:55:00 PM PDT by potlatch (Sometimes I think I understand everything, then I regain consciousness.)
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