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Bush: Militarizing Border Won't Stop Illegal Deluge
Newsmax.com ^ | Monday, Sept. 27, 2004 11:07 p.m. EDT

Posted on 09/27/2004 11:40:43 PM PDT by Robert Lomax

The U.S. has no plans to deploy troops along the Mexican border to stanch the deluge of illegal aliens currently pouring into the country at the rate of 3 million per year, President Bush said in an interview broadcast on Monday.

"As the governor of Texas, I was very aware of this issue," Bush told Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly.

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"There is a long border, that makes it hard to control. We have beefed up places along the border to try to stop" the flow, he said. When told that his policy didn't seem to be working, Bush insisted, "It’s working a little better.

"They're doing a pretty good job down in Arizona, which is the main border crossing. ... I think there's a thousand more border patrol agents along the border. We’re modernizing border techniques, we’re using better surveillance methods to stop this crossing at the border."

The president contended, however, that illegal immigration was driven primarily by the economic realities of the region.

"If you can make 50 cents in the interior of Mexico and five bucks in the interior of the United States, you're coming for the five bucks," he explained.

"I happen to believe the best way to enhance the border is to have temporary-worker cards available for people," he said. "I think the long-term solution for this issue on our border is for Mexico to grow a middle class. That's why I believe in NAFTA."

When warned that "a lot of people are not going to like that answer," Bush told O'Reilly, "Well it’s a, a truthful answer."


TOPICS: Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; bordersecurity; bush; bushamnesty; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; immigration; issues; spottheretread; terrorism
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To: Area51
"If I can pay for and man the DMZ in Korea with Military personnel we sure as hell can do it on the Mexican border."

Indeed.
101 posted on 09/28/2004 10:33:46 AM PDT by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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To: Constantine XIII
For the most part, no one on this thread gives a hoot how many "brown people" come across the border... LEGALLY. "Welcome to America! Come on in..."

What most of us are EXTREMELY concerned about it those willing to fracture every law in the books to get here then expect to get their hand outs. What most of us object to is a border so porous during a shooting war with Islamic Extremists that they could be sneaking TANKS across our border for all we know...

And people like you want to sit there and make excuses. Not to mention insinuating that those against unrestrained illegal inflow as being racists. Thanks. That oughta help things along...

102 posted on 09/28/2004 10:35:00 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Albanian: O Zot! Kam sakice ne koke!)
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To: Robert Lomax
I think there's a thousand more border patrol agents along the border.

Wrong Mr. President.

103 posted on 09/28/2004 10:36:33 AM PDT by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: citizen

Solution...

1. Scrutinize, optimize, and minimize welfare programs, ensuring only the honestly needy are taken care of.
...it's way too easy to defraud the system, and the standards are too low anyway.

2. Wake up to the reality that Americans will not be in favor of living in a walled in country.
...We are a free people, and we like it that way. Besides, I can see the headlines now...President Chirac: "Mr. President, TEAR DOWN THAT WALL!"

3. Apply equal and fair treatment to the Mexicans as we do to the Canadians. Especially in terms of jobs and joint economic programs.
...In other words, give them their respect. The canucks have had a free ride for way too long, and imho, it's undeserved. Why do we close down US plants to build in Mexico, and yet, we give the Canadians (Quebec) money to keep our plants up there open?
NAFTA may not be THE answer, but it is a part of the overall "equalization" of economies. Now, this may not sit well with some who are used to denigrating and looking down upon the Mexicans, but we do need a somewhat balanced economic infrastructure in N.America. Ever heard of the EU? China? The reality is, they are our competitors now, and they are gaining ground on us...fast. We, very well, could become economically isolated. I see those signs already. We need to give the Mexicans a big hug, metaphorically speaking, but under our terms. :) And that's the challenge that, I think, Bush is trying to deal with.

4. Enforcing the existing laws is useless, as they were written a million years ago for a vastly different world. We need to scrap the immigration act and begin anew.

fwiw, I have an idea. First, someone needs to figure out how many people our Country can hold with the current infrastructure, and then set a yearly entry limit. Now, let's suppose we look at the US as a brand, if you will, 'cause we do have a tremendous "brand recognition" factor. Then we look at immigration as a commodity. Now, taking these factors into consideration, it only makes sense to create laws that treat being in this country as a valuable experience, right? Then why do we give that away without any investment? I think those wanting to live here, either permanently or temporarily, should "invest" of themselves. They should be required to learn our basic laws, traditions, customs, and know exactly what's expected of them while they are here. And be accountable to this. There, also, should be a waiting period, to allow for proper vetting of applicants. So, what we do is, setup "America" schools in our Embassies, using US Marines as instructors, under the supervision of the Ambassador staff, for a period of one or two years. This gives us time to decide and vet their entry, and them to decide if they really, really want to live here under our terms.

I know it sounds nutty, but we ARE filling up here, and not with the best (as in decent) people the world has to offer.

Now, the Dum’s will never go for this because, as we all know, the more educated and decent people we have in this country, the more Repub’s we’ll also have.

OK, now flame…



:O)

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104 posted on 09/28/2004 10:37:42 AM PDT by papasmurf (Gimme' big ears, for 4 more years!!!)
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To: Dead Corpse

Listen, man, I said it isnt' right and needs to be controlled, but only so much can be done.

What would you do if you were W?


105 posted on 09/28/2004 10:37:43 AM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: Constantine XIII

CLOSE THE BORDER then track down and EVICT/DEPORT the illegals of ALL colors and hues. Incarcerate the OTMs who have snuck through our undefended southern borders (you know, the YOUNG ARABIC MALES of the Mooselimb faith). In other words, DO THE JOB FOR WHICH HE WAS HIRED. Otherwise, it's past time to fire him AND all the other open-borders, open (taxpayers') wallets politicians.


106 posted on 09/28/2004 10:48:23 AM PDT by dcwusmc ("The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: Constantine XIII
Authorize border State governors to call up the citizen militia. Get volunteers working in conjunction with National Guard and Border Patrol to do border sweeps. Lock down welfare, schools, and medical access. Treat emergency patients, of course, but then immediately deport after treatment. Send Vincente the bill. Throw CEO's and managers of companies hiring illegal labor in jail for violating EXISTING laws.

And if that doesn't work. Then it would be time to put the military on the border and shoot anyone trying to sneak in.

What I would NOT do... is say that we are under dire threat from Islamic terror groups and FAIL to do anything. I would not say that SS/welfare/medicare is in dire trouble while shoveling money out to illegals.

107 posted on 09/28/2004 10:51:27 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Albanian: O Zot! Kam sakice ne koke!)
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To: citizen

No, I don't object. For all the good it will do you, be my guest. You and I don't count. They tap our paychecks every two weeks, and that's all they need to know about us.


108 posted on 09/28/2004 10:55:40 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

Ditto, double ditto. especially the taxpayer assistance and border baby crap.


109 posted on 09/28/2004 10:55:49 AM PDT by gopheraj
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To: Joe Hadenuf

Yes, I agree.


110 posted on 09/28/2004 10:56:35 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
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To: Jim Robinson

500,000 illegals x .05 muhammadans = 25,000 mujihadeen in America over our borders the last 12 months!

Disband the IRS and reassign the agents to secure our borders...they can harass America's enemies for a change versus America's producers.

Bush is in the left field bleachers eating a hot dog, sipping on a Coke and chewing on some corn regarding our border and port security...


111 posted on 09/28/2004 11:00:15 AM PDT by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a veil for MASS MURDERS. Save your time...)
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To: Robert Lomax
I support Dubya on almost all issues, but disagree with him completely on this one. The U.S. definitely needs a new way to combat this. I've had sketchy ideas of how this could work, and my ideas are something like this:

  1. Continuous electronic surveillance of our borders with a fleet of UAVs using our Predator-style technologies. Different types of modified Predators could be deployed to seek different things: infrared (heat), motion, etc.
  2. Establishment of a new military sector consisting of rapid deployment border enforcement personnel. This would be divided into four sections (northern border, southern border, coastal, arctic); each would train differently to deal with the different terrains and climates.
  3. Establishment of high-tech military bases located at periodic intervals along the borders – perhaps every 75 miles. (If there is an existing military base in the general area, a portion of it could be set aside for these new units.) The personnel from #2 would be based here and equipped with fast helicopters to allow for rapid deployment to incursion areas (monitored by #1).
  4. Staffing: personnel could be volunteers from all branches of the DoD, or recruited from the services to apply for training. Personnel in this billet could be rotated every 6 or 12 months, to get cross-training in the other areas of defending our borders.
Just an idea.
112 posted on 09/28/2004 11:03:07 AM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: dcwusmc
I do not care where someone comes from AS LONG AS THEY COME IN THE FRONT DOOR, BY THE RULES. If you want to sneak in the back window, you are no better than a burglar or thief and WHATEVER happens to you is deserved.

BUMP.

113 posted on 09/28/2004 11:07:34 AM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" - Hillary Clinton)
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To: cyborg
"I think the long-term solution for this issue on our border is for Mexico to grow a middle class. That's why I believe in NAFTA."

Clue: NAFTA isn't doing anything to help Mexico grow a middle class.
The actual effect is that it's diminishing OUR middle class.

114 posted on 09/28/2004 11:08:12 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: HitmanNY
> Specifically how would you secure the Mexican border?

Hi HitmanNY, see my post #112:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1228958/posts?page=112#112

It is an admittedly rudimentary idea, but it's a start...

115 posted on 09/28/2004 11:11:29 AM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: Robert Lomax

We'll deal with this after the re-election.


116 posted on 09/28/2004 11:12:05 AM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: Constantine XIII
I only object to the (Wait for it...) hatred for Mexicans in some of these posts. Some folks talk about Mexicans like Osama talks about Jews. They just absolutely spaz out and spam every other thread talking about "the invasion" and how it is going to destroy the country, how Bush sucks because he won't kill em all with MOABs. That sort of attitude is revolting, and it isn't what we are about. When I agreed with JR, that is what I was trying to point out.

Criminals are criminals, no matter what the color. Most illegal aliens happen to be Mexicans...its just a fact...sorry. If you're all for "sensitive" justice for illegals, perhaps Kerry is your man. Unless your retiring soon, most of us will continue to work and pay taxes so these criminals can have it nice and easy in the U.S., at our expense; that don't fly with me, and it don't fly with the majority of Americans IMHO. And lets not even get started talking about what our kids will be left of this country for our kids to deal with, if the trend continues.

117 posted on 09/28/2004 11:14:24 AM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" - Hillary Clinton)
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To: savedbygrace

If he keeps talking like this, there may not BE a re-election. The time is NOW to start dealing with it; for Bush, tomorrow may never come unless he DOES do his job. As I said, I would fire him out of hand for talk like that.


118 posted on 09/28/2004 11:16:23 AM PDT by dcwusmc ("The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: savedbygrace

If he keeps talking like this, there may not BE a re-election. The time is NOW to start dealing with it; for Bush, tomorrow may never come unless he DOES do his job. As I said, I would fire him out of hand for talk like that.


119 posted on 09/28/2004 11:16:53 AM PDT by dcwusmc ("The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: Willie Green

You got that right. The only thing NAFTA is doing is inflated the pockets of the Mexican elites. I reference the movie House of Spirits if anyone wants to know what the Mexican elites are all about.


120 posted on 09/28/2004 11:22:00 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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