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Ye Olde Zot! Election - An English View
September 15 2004 | Interested Anglo

Posted on 09/14/2004 11:45:54 PM PDT by Interested Anglo

It might be argues that as an Englishman, resident in the UK, your election is none of my business but as it will effect everyone in the world, I feel entitled to a voice, if not a vote. (Judging by your last foray into democracy, perhaps votes are not all that important)

I do not envy you having to choose between the inarticulate incumbent Bush and an unimpressive challenger who seems to live thirty years in the past. Why can't you wonderful country find better candidates than this pair?

Whoever wins will have to confront the monstrous debt, ($7 trillion and growing at over $1 billion a day) which has been run up by the current administration. Your economy (and probably everyone else's)is therefore in for a very tough time and whoever wins will probably get the blame.

From my point of view the ideal scenario would be for a Bush win and then, as a result of the collapse of the economy, a Hilary victory in 2008. Kerry would be a one termer and the credibility of the democrats would be undermined for a generation if he won.

My worry about this would be the Bush might interpret such a victory as a mandate for open season on Iran which could unleash a terrorist backlash that would make 9/11 look like a tea party (and I am not trivialising the appalling events of that day)

We live in interesting but very dangerous times


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1 posted on 09/14/2004 11:45:54 PM PDT by Interested Anglo
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To: Interested Anglo

A landslide will definitely give Bush a mandate to clean house, both at home and abroad. Yeehaw!


2 posted on 09/15/2004 12:06:54 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

AWWW! I missed one?

You're up late.


3 posted on 09/15/2004 12:07:53 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (<a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com" target="_blank">Hatriotism)
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To: MadIvan; Happygal

Sic 'im.


4 posted on 09/15/2004 12:09:41 AM PDT by martin_fierro (_____oooo_( )_oooo_____)
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To: Interested Anglo

Things could be worse, I could be an Englishman living in England.


5 posted on 09/15/2004 12:09:58 AM PDT by AggieCPA (Howdy, Ags!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Your village called...


6 posted on 09/15/2004 12:13:18 AM PDT by Lancer_N3502A
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To: martin_fierro
From my point of view the ideal scenario would be for a Bush win and then, as a result of the collapse of the economy, a Hilary victory in 2008.

I stopped reading after this point.
Did he have anything sensible to say?

7 posted on 09/15/2004 12:13:51 AM PDT by Happygal (liberalism - a narrow tribal outlook largely founded on class prejudice)
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To: Interested Anglo

We'll come up with better candidates when you brits design an automotive electrical system that works. (lucas)


8 posted on 09/15/2004 12:16:47 AM PDT by bad company (What's the font kenneth?)
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To: Interested Anglo
My worry about this would be the Bush might interpret such a victory as a mandate for open season on Iran...

And it will.

... which could unleash a terrorist backlash

But it won't.

9 posted on 09/15/2004 12:16:49 AM PDT by martin_fierro (_____oooo_( )_oooo_____)
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To: Interested Anglo
"I'm not worried about the deficit -- it's big enough to take care of itself."

President Ronald Reagan
10 posted on 09/15/2004 12:18:57 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult ("I hate going to places like Austin and Dubuque to raise large sums of money. But I have to," Kerry)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

LOL


11 posted on 09/15/2004 12:24:00 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Interested Anglo
I get sick of you Euro Weenies....All you do is sit back and sip your tea and snipe at the US....Don't forget we had to Come Over There twice to save your little candy arses. And if it wasn't for us you would be speaking Russian by now.

Buzz Off!

12 posted on 09/15/2004 12:26:40 AM PDT by democrats_nightmare
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To: Interested Anglo
"My worry about this would be the Bush might interpret such a victory as a mandate for open season on Iran which could unleash a terrorist backlash that would make 9/11 look like a tea party (and I am not trivialising the appalling events of that day)"

Well, King George III was a lunatic, and the Ayatollah's worse. But we have better toys, nowadays.

And President Bush will be re-elected, as per our national wishes and certain motivations from your side of the pond (e.g., the post above). There's really nothing that people in cultural Europe can do about it. So have a comfortable chair and a smooth drink.







And enjoy the ride!
13 posted on 09/15/2004 12:30:15 AM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: Interested Anglo
Thanks for your input. The wonderful thing about being a US citizen is I am permitted to chuckle and then ignore it.

Happy Trails, aristocrat.

14 posted on 09/15/2004 12:34:40 AM PDT by Glenn (The two keys to character: 1) Learn how to keep a secret. 2) ...)
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To: Interested Anglo

I read the 1st two sentances and determined the author was an arrogant jerk that was very full of himself. So did the schmuck ever have anything interesting to say?


15 posted on 09/15/2004 12:35:09 AM PDT by Tempest (Don't blame me, I'm voting for Bush.)
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To: AggieCPA
Things could be worse, I could be an Englishman living in England.

I beg your pardon?

Do not take this prat as being representative of all of us.

Regards, Ivan

16 posted on 09/15/2004 12:45:13 AM PDT by MadIvan (Gothic. Freaky. Conservative. - http://www.rightgoths.com/)
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To: Interested Anglo
Read the contents and links in post #28, and learn the material as best you can. Then return for future testing and we'll see just how interested you are. Clearly you haven't studied much so far... so here's your opportunity.

ENTER HERE

17 posted on 09/15/2004 12:47:18 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: Interested Anglo
It might be argues that as an Englishman, resident in the UK, your election is none of my business but as it will effect everyone in the world, I feel entitled to a voice, if not a vote. (Judging by your last foray into democracy, perhaps votes are not all that important)

If you'd been paying attention, you'd have discovered that from a British perspective, it would be much preferable to have Bush in office. The way Kerry carries on about America having no allies, he implies we don't exist, the blood of our dead count for nought.

As for being in love with Hillary - for the love of Christ, there could hardly be a worse person to be President: greedy, avaricious and cruel, she will stop at nothing to gain power.

Educate yourself before you speak on matters about which you know nothing - I've been fortunate enough to live in America for a time, and study its history - based on that experience, I dare say it would be best for all concerned if the Democrats were denied power forever.

Ivan

18 posted on 09/15/2004 12:48:45 AM PDT by MadIvan (Gothic. Freaky. Conservative. - http://www.rightgoths.com/)
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To: MadIvan
Do not take this prat as being representative of all of us.

Ditto for that aggie being representative of Texans.
19 posted on 09/15/2004 1:24:55 AM PDT by BJClinton (Donwload "The New Soldier" at http://freekerrybook.org/documents/NEWSOLDIER.pdf)
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To: MadIvan
"Do not take this prat as being representative of all of us."

Hello, Ivan. As is the case in most countries, most of our rabble, although relatively well educated, only pay scant attention to analytical political information. ...slogans and "sound bites."

So we propagandize, whether with honest parabolic or dishonest parabolic speech to eventually get the attention of the masses. Most people won't listen to or retain much more than what appears to be tabloid material. To make a point to the general populace, we spew rhetoric in one direction or the other, as readers love generalizations.

You should (or maybe shouldn't) hear what expatriate Englishmen in the inlands (away from the coastal sodomitical places) of the USA have to say. Their words are most often something like, "England sucks!" Englishmen who migrate to the northeastern parts or the west coast of the USA, on the other hand, have likewise things to say about conservatives, here but positive things to say about contemporary European culture, as do their neighbors. So you see, most people, here and there, struggle with their own personal pursuits and ignore the bulk of what they see as intellectual noise (that is, complicated, logical analyses).

So we feed them generalizations with which they may laugh and criticize others--their favorite pastimes.

I've been studying the histories of propaganda specifically for approximately ten years, but those among us who can find kinder, gentler rhetoric that the masses will certainly digest are far and above myself in knowledge of methods.
20 posted on 09/15/2004 1:51:17 AM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: Lancer_N3502A

I love the smell of brimstone mixed with kibble early in the morning.


21 posted on 09/15/2004 1:52:34 AM PDT by commandante_zero (Nice kitty, kitty...ZOT!)
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To: Interested Anglo
READY...

AIM...

ZOT!

22 posted on 09/15/2004 1:53:45 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: Interested Anglo

To Interested Anglo, go eat your spotted dick.


23 posted on 09/15/2004 1:54:44 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: Mad Dawgg; MadIvan; All
"To Interested Anglo, go eat your spotted dick."

It's a Joke based on English Dessert, Ask MadIvan...

24 posted on 09/15/2004 1:58:31 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: MadIvan

Hello Ivan, I think this pinko-commie stooge wandered over to DUh, got brainwashed, and came over here spewing his nonsense.


25 posted on 09/15/2004 1:59:59 AM PDT by ABG(anybody but Gore) ("I'm just a gigolo, and everywhere I go, people know I'm lyin' about 'Nam".....)
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To: Interested Anglo

Go back to bed Bill, the doc said you should not be up at the computer so soon.....


26 posted on 09/15/2004 2:02:51 AM PDT by Species8472
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)

For some demented reason, they've been trying to push sales of Michael Moore's and Al Franken's books in London: I see posters for their books from time to time on the Underground. I can only suggest that this fellow didn't have the sophistication to resist unsophisticated advertising, and the wit to understand that what Moore and Franken spew is rubbish.

Regards, Ivan


27 posted on 09/15/2004 2:03:41 AM PDT by MadIvan (Gothic. Freaky. Conservative. - http://www.rightgoths.com/)
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To: Mad Dawgg
There was a movement some years back to refer to Spotted Dick as Speckled Richard. Unsuccessful, sadly.

Regards, Ivan

28 posted on 09/15/2004 2:05:55 AM PDT by MadIvan (Gothic. Freaky. Conservative. - http://www.rightgoths.com/)
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To: Interested Anglo
Well as an American with British family roots (who knows, maybe my ancestors ruled yours), I'd like to respond to your rantings.

First of all, if you know anything about American history, you'd know that we don't pick our Presidents based on their looks or their public speaking capabilities. We, meaning we conservatives, pick our Presidents based on honesty, loyalty, and firmness of conviction. Take Abraham Lincoln for example. The media back then considered Lincoln a backwards country bumpkin, kind of like the same way they depict George Bush today. And it seems you blokes didn't think too highly of him either. If I recall right, your country was ready to jump in on the side of the South during the Civil War. When you couldn't defeat the U.S. on two previous occasions, you figured you'd weaken her ability to stay united by taking sides. But once you realized that there was no way the South could win the war, you turn tailed and ran.

Regarding the national deficit and your claims that the debt is growing at $1 billion a day. if you'll check the U.S. Treasury Department's website, you'll see that the national debt is actually going down each week, and it is expected to continue in that downward trend. If the attacks of 9/11, on one of the major financial centers of the world didn't destroy our economy, I highly doubt George W. Bush will. Despite the recession he inherited from Bill Clinton, and the corporate scandals that fermented & bubbled through the Clinton years, this country's economy has been strong and growing. The unemployment rate is 5.4%, lower than in 1996 when Clinton was running for reelection.

As far as a Hillary Presidency in 2008, I highly doubt it. New Yorkers have recently overwhelmingly proclaimed that they'd prefer Rudy Giuliani over Governor Pataki as a Presidential candidate in 2008. And since Rudy led in the polls against Hillary for the 2000 Senate campaign before illness forced him to withdraw, I'd have to say that a Clinton-Giuliani Presidential contest would end with Rudy being easily elected.

I highly doubt that President Bush would consider his reelection as a mandate to invade Iran. The main reason being that we have more than enough on our plates stablilizing Iraq and Afghanistan. But if we ever do decide to head into Iran, at least we won't have to beg those countries to use their air space or land our troops on their soil to get the job done. We will have made accessibility to that area alot more convenient for ourselves...and Iran knows it. Personally, I'd prefer a President who was willing to make the tough decisions to take out the world's despots, than have a President like John Kerry, who would look the other way for politicial expediency. I'd rather take the battle to the terrorists than have to battle them on the streets of this country. And unlike the mindset of the old Europe, I'd take a warrior over an appeaser any time.

29 posted on 09/15/2004 4:00:39 AM PDT by mass55th (It's the superscript, stupid!!!!)
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To: Species8472
"Go back to bed Bill, the doc said you should not be up at the computer so soon....."

I bet he doesn't even have his P.J.'s on.

30 posted on 09/15/2004 4:03:40 AM PDT by mass55th (It's the superscript, stupid!!!!)
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To: MEG33; dubyaismypresident; 4mycountry; Pan_Yans Wife; Charlie OK; E Rocc; Fierce Allegiance; ...
Berret late than never ZOT ping.



31 posted on 09/15/2004 5:38:52 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Charter member of the VRWC - and proud of it. - - - Hear BS on See BS.)
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To: Interested Anglo; Americanwolf; AQGeiger; Beaker; BenLurkin; baltodog; big'ol_freeper; ChadGore; ...
Judging by your last foray into democracy, perhaps votes are not all that important

That's all I needed to see!


”ZOTtus Totalus!”

32 posted on 09/15/2004 5:59:53 AM PDT by Old Sarge (ZOT 'em all, let MOD sort 'em out!)
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To: Interested Anglo

You're right, it's none of your business. So shut the F up you stupid socialist!


33 posted on 09/15/2004 6:02:56 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Dan Rather don't need no stinkin facts, he is a journalist and therefore above reproach.)
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To: Interested Anglo
"could unleash a terrorist backlash"

Your burkka's loose.

34 posted on 09/15/2004 6:04:19 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: Interested Anglo; Admin Moderator
That was Quick!


35 posted on 09/15/2004 6:05:29 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: bad company

LOL. I've had first hand experience with that. I had to park my 68 MGB in neutral just in case it decided to start itself. I finally installed a toggle kill switch.


36 posted on 09/15/2004 6:06:25 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Dan Rather don't need no stinkin facts, he is a journalist and therefore above reproach.)
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To: Interested Anglo

37 posted on 09/15/2004 6:08:25 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Dan Rather don't need no stinkin facts, he is a journalist and therefore above reproach.)
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To: Interested Anglo

Another Michael Moore Kool-Aid drinking socialist spews his infinite wisdom.


38 posted on 09/15/2004 6:09:00 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Partisan Political Operative)
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To: Interested Anglo
It might be argues that as an Englishman, resident in the UK, your election is none of my business but as it will effect everyone in the world, I feel entitled to a voice, if not a vote.

Entitlement is what Europe is all about anyway.

39 posted on 09/15/2004 6:10:43 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Interested Anglo

I think you're absolutely right. It's none of your business.

Cheerio!


40 posted on 09/15/2004 6:11:53 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Islam: Men defend most violently, not what they know to be true, but what they fear may be false.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

My first motorcycle was a triumph. After much trouble I stripped the electrics out of a wrecked norton. Other than the fact that I probably had the first (and only) chopper with daytime running lamps, it worked out fine.


41 posted on 09/15/2004 6:12:27 AM PDT by bad company (What's the font kenneth?)
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To: Interested Anglo

It might be argues that as an Englishman, you are a clueless idiot.


42 posted on 09/15/2004 6:12:30 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (The Heavens proclaim His glory!)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Dang, missed another one.


43 posted on 09/15/2004 6:13:20 AM PDT by 4CJ
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To: Interested Anglo

Dumbass moron; go suck an egg, punk troll. Who the heck asked you for a comment, scumbag? ZOT!®


44 posted on 09/15/2004 6:15:19 AM PDT by 7.62 x 51mm ( Veni Vidi Vino Visa "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: Interested Anglo

"Set beebers on stune!"


45 posted on 09/15/2004 6:16:29 AM PDT by B Knotts ("John Kerry, who says he doesn't like outsourcing, wants to outsource our national security.")
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To: bad company

I had a Bonneville.


46 posted on 09/15/2004 6:17:32 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Dan Rather don't need no stinkin facts, he is a journalist and therefore above reproach.)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices

Release Zot.


47 posted on 09/15/2004 6:19:21 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Dan Rather don't need no stinkin facts, he is a journalist and therefore above reproach.)
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To: Interested Anglo; Jim Robinson; meowmeow; Constitution Day; 4mycountry; Poohbah; Grampa Dave; ...

Hey, interested anglo, I think Jim just opened a bottle of electric whoopass on your buttocks.
48 posted on 09/15/2004 6:26:25 AM PDT by VRWCmember (I actually ignored this thread before I posted to it. jfk, 08/2004)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Mine began life as a trophy TR-6.


49 posted on 09/15/2004 6:27:56 AM PDT by bad company (What's the font kenneth?)
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To: Conspiracy Guy
This is what I want for Christmas: I can dream, can't I?
50 posted on 09/15/2004 6:28:40 AM PDT by 4CJ
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