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Will Rather produce enough evidence to convince?
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Posted on 09/10/2004 2:33:09 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear

Rather and CBS are saying that records released by the White House also have superscripts in them... What if Rather is able to cover his tracks?


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1 posted on 09/10/2004 2:33:10 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: JBlain

Lets see them.


2 posted on 09/10/2004 2:33:48 PM PDT by Viet-Boat-Rider (((KERRY IS A NARCISSISTIC LIAR, GOLDBRICKER, AND TRAITOR!)))
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To: JBlain

The superscript is the least of their problems. Fact is, anybody with Microsoft Word can type out an exact copy of those memos without even changing the default font.

Anyone who is still denying these are forgeries is delusional at best.


4 posted on 09/10/2004 2:34:53 PM PDT by thoughtomator ("With 64 days left, John Kerry still has time to change his mind 4 or 5 more times" - Rudy Giuliani)
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To: bhlewis

http://powerlineblog.com/ has news on what CBS plans to report on tonights newscast


5 posted on 09/10/2004 2:35:11 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: JBlain

Superscripting is the least of the problems with these documents. Here is the FReeper's short list:

1-- proportional spacing not generally available
2 -- superscripts not generally available
3 - small "th" single element not generally available
4 - Smart quotes. Curved apostrophes and quotation marks were not available
5-The blurriness of the copy indicates it was recopied dozens of times, tactic of forgers
6--Signature block. Typical authentic military signature block has name, then rank, then on the next line the person's position. This just has rank beneath the name.
7--Margins. These look like a computer's unjustified default, not the way a person typing would have done it.
8 -- Date usually with three letters, or in form as 110471.
9 - words run over consistent with word processor
10 - may be a Times Roman or similar font not generally available then (per Haas Atlas)
11 - signature looks faked
12 - no errors and whiteout
13 - no letterhead
14 - exact match for Microsoft Word Processor
15 - Paper size problem, Air Force and Guard did not use 8 1/2 x 11 inch paper until the 1980s.
16 - Overlap analysis is an exact match
17 - absence of hyphens to split words between lines, c/w 1970's typewriter.
18 - 5000 Longmont #8 in Houston Tx. does not exist
19 - Box 34567 is suspicious, at best. The current use of the po box 34567 is Ashland Chemical Company, A Division of Ashland Oil, Incorporated P. O. Box 34567 Houston
20 - it would have been nearly impossible to center a letterhead with proportional spacing without a computer.
21 - Bush's grade would "normally" be abbreviated "1Lt" not "1st Lt"
22 - Subject matter bizarre
23 - Air Force did not use street addresses for their offices, rather HQ AFLC/CC, Wright-Patterson AFB, OH 45433.
24 - kerning was not available
25 - In the August 18, 1973 memo, Jerry Killian purportedly writes: "Staudt has obviously pressured Hodges more about Bush. I'm having trouble running interference and doing my job." but General Staudt, who thought very highly of Lt. Bush, retired in 1972.
26 - Language not generally used by military
27 - Not signed or initialed
28 - Not in any format that a military person would use, e.g. orders not given by Memo.

There are more....


6 posted on 09/10/2004 2:35:32 PM PDT by UseYourHead (This November, remember who the terrorists are voting for.)
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To: JBlain
Viet-Boat Rider just posted a list...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1212490/posts?page=6#6

7 posted on 09/10/2004 2:35:49 PM PDT by mattdono (Chris Matthew is Zell Miller's b*tch!)
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To: JBlain

Blather is using the most unimportant and uncompelling point about the fakes, and attempting to misdirect from the font spacing and font type and bad signature.

Right out of the communist manifesto. Blather is a master ba...aahh.. I mean master of propaganda/


8 posted on 09/10/2004 2:35:53 PM PDT by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: JBlain

"produce enough evidence"

Produce enough lies again?


9 posted on 09/10/2004 2:36:29 PM PDT by freeangel (freeangel)
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To: thoughtomator

They will focus on the th superscript and ignore the font, the word wrap around and the lack of letterhead, and signature problems.


10 posted on 09/10/2004 2:36:32 PM PDT by Don Munn
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To: mattdono

same list, we think (copy) alike :-)


11 posted on 09/10/2004 2:36:37 PM PDT by Viet-Boat-Rider (((KERRY IS A NARCISSISTIC LIAR, GOLDBRICKER, AND TRAITOR!)))
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To: JBlain

1 -- proportional spacing not generally available
2 -- superscripts not generally available
3 -- small "th" single element not generally available
4 -- Smart quotes. Curved apostrophes and quotation marks were not available
5 -- The blurriness of the copy indicates it was recopied dozens of times, tactic of forgers
6 -- Signature block. Typical authentic military signature block has name, then rank, then on the next line the person's position. This just has rank beneath the name.
7 -- Margins. These look like a computer's unjustified default, not the way a person typing would have done it.
8 -- Date usually with three letters, or in form as 110471.
9 -- words run over consistent with word processor
10 - may be a Times Roman or similar font not generally available then (per Haas Atlas)
11 - signature looks faked
12 - no errors and whiteout
13 - no letterhead
14 - exact match for Microsoft Word Processor
15 - Paper size problem, Air Force and Guard did not use 8 1/2 x 11 inch paper until the 1980s.
16 - Overlap analysis is an exact match
17 - absence of hyphens to split words between lines, c/w 1970's typewriter.
18 - 5000 Longmont #8 in Houston Tx. does not exist
19 - Box 34567 is suspicious, at best. The current use of the po box 34567 is Ashland Chemical Company, A Division of Ashland Oil, Incorporated P. O. Box 34567 Houston
20 - it would have been nearly impossible to center a letterhead with proportional spacing without a computer.
21 - Bush's grade would "normally" be abbreviated "1Lt" not "1st Lt"
22 - Subject matter bizarre
23 - Air Force did not use street addresses for their offices, rather HQ AFLC/CC, Wright-Patterson AFB, OH 45433.
24 - kerning was not available
25 - In the August 18, 1973 memo, Jerry Killian purportedly writes: "Staudt has obviously pressured Hodges more about Bush. I'm having trouble running interference and doing my job." but General Staudt, who thought very highly of Lt. Bush, retired in 1972.
26 - Language not generally used by military
27 - Not signed or initialed
28 - Not in any format that a military person would use, e.g. orders not given by Memo.

by mabelkitty: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1212408/posts?page=87#87


also, i would suspect that much of the superscripting that is on official documents comes from preprinted forms/letterhead which would have been professionaly typeset

other than that, yes some typewriter's could shift the line up to do superscript but not in a smaller font. like the list above, there are just too many other issues.


12 posted on 09/10/2004 2:37:09 PM PDT by kpp_kpp
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To: JBlain

Which records? Some of the records released by the White House were sent to them from CBS.


13 posted on 09/10/2004 2:37:12 PM PDT by mrsmel
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To: thoughtomator

The new liberal line, articulated by James Pinkerton of Newsday is that even though the documents are forgeries they are none-the-less true!!!!! they cite the WH's lack of immediate denial as proof. In other words they say that the WH thought that they were true.


15 posted on 09/10/2004 2:37:45 PM PDT by Poincare
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To: bhlewis
When you do, remember that MS word auto superscripts the "th" only when it follows numbers. In these documents the "th" is superscripted in one place were the "th" follows immediately after the 111, while in another place it is not superscripted because a space is inserted as in "111 th".

Now, on typewriters, the superscript is Keyed. Which means it does not have to follow immediately after numbers, suggesting to me that the superscript was inadvertent in the forges docs.

16 posted on 09/10/2004 2:38:25 PM PDT by HapaxLegamenon
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To: JBlain

I thought the WH GOT their copies from CBS?


17 posted on 09/10/2004 2:39:05 PM PDT by LisaFab
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To: thoughtomator

Yet another reason to use Adobe products.


18 posted on 09/10/2004 2:39:22 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: JBlain

Rather is as crooked as a barrel of rattlesnakes.

He makes about as much sense as the possum who emptied the moonshine still.

He has as much chance of carrying this off as an armadillo trying to walk the yellow stipe all the way from Houston to El Paso.


19 posted on 09/10/2004 2:39:32 PM PDT by San Jacinto
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To: thoughtomator
What's the frequency, Kenneth?
20 posted on 09/10/2004 2:39:48 PM PDT by Ukiapah Heep (Shoes for Industry!)
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