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New 527 Organization hits hard at Kerry
move on foramerica.org ^ | Sept-2004 | move on foramerica.org

Posted on 09/06/2004 9:04:25 AM PDT by crushelits

New 527 Organization "MoveOnForAmerica.org" to Expose the Real John Kerry With Brutal, Hard-hitting Ads!

The first ad will expose John Kerry’s role in securing freedom and parole for would-be cop killer who escaped a Massachusetts prison during a furlough, just like Willie Horton!!! A MUST SEE http://www.moveonforamerica.org/kerry_reissfelder.mov

http://www.moveonforamerica.org/kerry_sharpton.mov


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; 527groups; 527organization; bush; camejo; cheney; dubya; edwards; election; gwb; hitskerry; hoax; kerry; kook; kooks; moveonforamerica; nader; penthouse; phonyconservatives; porn; scam
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1 posted on 09/06/2004 9:04:26 AM PDT by crushelits
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To: crushelits
Excellent!

It's about time that SOMEONE hits the RATS hard on the coddling they give to black racists like Al Sharpton.

2 posted on 09/06/2004 9:07:09 AM PDT by lormand (I've got your "poll" right here.)
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To: crushelits
Omgsh, a positive MoveOn.

I'm going to be so confused from now on.

Bump, thanks for the announcement.

3 posted on 09/06/2004 9:08:54 AM PDT by AmericanCheeseFood (Kerry for a stronger America, through French hygiene practices.)
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To: crushelits
The Blogspirator has an article with background info about the guy doing these ads...MoveOver Swifties: New 527 Exposes Kerry's "Willie Horton" Moment/Estrich has Carville "This Is Wah!" Moment
4 posted on 09/06/2004 9:09:51 AM PDT by adam_az (Call your State GOP office and volunteer!)
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To: crushelits
Beware!

THIS IS AN APPARENT SETUP BY KERRY CAMPAIGN TO SMEAR BUSH AND SWIFTVETS!

5 posted on 09/06/2004 9:11:34 AM PDT by Steven W.
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To: crushelits

CAN'T wait to see these on the tube!!!!!!


6 posted on 09/06/2004 9:12:56 AM PDT by Renegade
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To: crushelits

This is a Kerry camapign plant 527 trying to get a backlash


7 posted on 09/06/2004 9:16:05 AM PDT by FesterUSMC
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To: Steven W.
THIS IS AN APPARENT SETUP BY KERRY CAMPAIGN TO SMEAR BUSH AND SWIFTVETS!

A little corraborating information might be useful.

Otherwise you make yourself look like a DU troll.

8 posted on 09/06/2004 9:17:38 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: FesterUSMC

"This is a Kerry camapign plant 527 trying to get a backlash..."

Okay, and how do we know that?


9 posted on 09/06/2004 9:17:51 AM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: All

LINKS:

http://www.moveonforamerica.org/

http://www.moveonforamerica.org/kerry_reissfelder.mov

http://www.moveonforamerica.org/kerry_sharpton.mov


10 posted on 09/06/2004 9:18:23 AM PDT by crushelits
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To: crushelits

This group will do more harm than good. Will be tagged as racist.


11 posted on 09/06/2004 9:18:26 AM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

http://www.moveonforamerica.org/

http://www.moveonforamerica.org/kerry_reissfelder.mov

http://www.moveonforamerica.org/kerry_sharpton.mov


12 posted on 09/06/2004 9:18:59 AM PDT by crushelits
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To: Steven W.

Huh?


13 posted on 09/06/2004 9:19:09 AM PDT by jmstein7 (A Judge not bound by the original meaning of the Constitution interprets nothing but his own mind.)
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To: crushelits

BTTT


14 posted on 09/06/2004 9:19:36 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: crushelits

Another lefty dirty tricks website. If they are aiming at parody, the least they could do is to be funny.


15 posted on 09/06/2004 9:19:48 AM PDT by orangelobster
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To: lormand

The Sharpton ad is much better (from a technical perspective) that the first ad, which was poorly structured and confusing.


16 posted on 09/06/2004 9:20:02 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Free Republic is 21st Century Samizdat)
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To: Steven W.

I doubt these ads are part if a Kerry conspiracy. But they are absolutely awful and would probably do Bush more harm than good.


17 posted on 09/06/2004 9:20:03 AM PDT by ArcLight
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To: crushelits

http://www.moveonforamerica.org/kerry_sharpton.mov


18 posted on 09/06/2004 9:21:39 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: ArcLight

Perhaps some Arizona freepers know of this guy.


19 posted on 09/06/2004 9:24:11 AM PDT by Poincare
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To: crushelits
I see that you are relatively new to FreeRepublic. Interesting.
20 posted on 09/06/2004 9:24:17 AM PDT by pyx (Freedom of the press is limited to those who own one.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

I hear the guy he got off was not guitly of the crime he was in for. I doubt anyone knew he was going to kill a cop.


21 posted on 09/06/2004 9:24:35 AM PDT by Paul8148
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
Okay, and how do we know that?

Moveon.org isn't issuing outraged press releases and suing MoveOnForAmerica.org for trademark infringement.

22 posted on 09/06/2004 9:24:53 AM PDT by asgardshill (GWB throws heat. JF'nK throws spitballs.)
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To: FesterUSMC
This is a Kerry camapign plant 527 trying to get a backlash.

FesterUSMC
Since Aug 24, 2004

You signed up today just to tell us that?

Thanks for the corraborating information that you DU trolls are scared of this organization.

That's pretty much all I need to know.

23 posted on 09/06/2004 9:25:24 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
(corrected emphasis)

Okay, and how do we know that?

Moveon.org isn't issuing outraged press releases and suing MoveOnForAmerica.org for trademark infringement.

24 posted on 09/06/2004 9:25:49 AM PDT by asgardshill (GWB throws heat. JF'nK throws spitballs.)
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To: asgardshill

Meaningless... that is a suit they would not win. It flunks the "Polaroid" test (if you are familiar with TMs).


25 posted on 09/06/2004 9:26:55 AM PDT by jmstein7 (A Judge not bound by the original meaning of the Constitution interprets nothing but his own mind.)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

Plant or not, these ads will help Kerry if they get on the air. They are absolutely awful.


26 posted on 09/06/2004 9:27:11 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: dc-zoo

Yeah, I agree. First they try to paint Kerry in a negative light by bringing up Willie Horton, then Al Shapton. Each a scary black man, is that the point?

I think that's the reason half here see them as a plant, it's because we don't need this kind of 'help.'

Kerry has plenty of faults without trying to scare people this way. His associations with Sharpton pale in comparison to his ties to communists. His actions as lawyer pale compared to his countless votes to weaken America.


27 posted on 09/06/2004 9:27:15 AM PDT by kenth
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To: All

http://www.whois.net/whois.cgi2?d=moveonforamerica.org


28 posted on 09/06/2004 9:27:21 AM PDT by crushelits
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To: ArcLight
The Blogspirator post linked in post 4 seems to offer evidence that this is not a "Kerry Plant," but I agree that amateuristic ads with shaky claims of weird connections are not going to help the President at this point.
29 posted on 09/06/2004 9:27:28 AM PDT by franklog
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To: crushelits; Cannoneer No. 4; TEXOKIE; xzins; Alamo-Girl; blackie; SandRat; Calpernia; SAMWolf; ...

"MoveOnForAmerica.org" !!!!

Come by here and watch the new ads!


30 posted on 09/06/2004 9:27:57 AM PDT by Calpernia ("People never like what they don't understand")
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To: AmericanCheeseFood

"I'm going to be so confused from now on."

Nah, it'll be easy to know who is who. This new group is called 'MoveOn FOR America.' The original 'MoveOn' is AGAINST America.


31 posted on 09/06/2004 9:28:34 AM PDT by Catholic Iowan
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To: crushelits

I advise we wait and see what these guys do.

I think their ads should be less negative and more revealing of John Kerry's character - such as how he reacts under pressure. Still negative, but not doing the MoveOn thing of trying to draw a line using allegations as data points.

I would rather see an ad that shows John Kerry's speech where he attacked the President on the 7 minutes in the school on 9/11..

The part where John Kerry says the he would have acted. Then cut to the interview where he describes what he did.

Then cut to show a list of what Bush did following 9/11
-liberated two countries
-captured 2/3 of Al Qaeda's leadership
-formed two "war on terror' coalitions... one for Iraq and one for Afghanistan
-note how many women were liberated from the Taliban's restrictions
-etc...

End with Kerry explaining how he voted for the 87 billion before he voted against it...

The viewers should be able to take it from there.


32 posted on 09/06/2004 9:28:52 AM PDT by coconutt2000
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To: crushelits

Who is Stephen Marks?


33 posted on 09/06/2004 9:29:26 AM PDT by Calpernia ("People never like what they don't understand")
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To: crushelits

Bush doesn't need any "Willie Horton" charges made against his campaign. Things are going well. There's no need to upset the apple cart. This is not a good idea.


34 posted on 09/06/2004 9:29:50 AM PDT by ContraryMary
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To: coconutt2000
The part where John Kerry says the he would have acted. Then cut to the interview where he describes what he did.

I assumed all of you would know that I was referring to the 30-40 minutes where John Kerry couldn't think.

35 posted on 09/06/2004 9:30:10 AM PDT by coconutt2000
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To: crushelits

I think my head just exploded.


36 posted on 09/06/2004 9:30:21 AM PDT by Allegra (Is what I'm living right now just going to be one big "mistaken recollection?")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

He's not a troll. This was discussed last night, proceed with caution:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1207125/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1207040/posts?q=1&&page=103#103


37 posted on 09/06/2004 9:30:37 AM PDT by hobson (Rightest Warrior!)
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To: FesterUSMC

Would you care to elaborate on that statement? I happen to know that the DUers and the Kerry campaign are looking into a name infringement from the name MoveOn, saying that this group is using MoveOn.org's name, but I see no evidence of a plant.


38 posted on 09/06/2004 9:30:48 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Democrats = the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
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To: Republican Wildcat

Nah... these ads will just ad to all the 527 noise out there. I doubt these guys have the funding to get the impressions the y need to cause any trouble (for either candidate).

One thing all the 527s have done is to dilute the effectiveness of tv spots... there are just too many, and that is causing confusion and diluting the impact of TV ads.


39 posted on 09/06/2004 9:31:32 AM PDT by jmstein7 (A Judge not bound by the original meaning of the Constitution interprets nothing but his own mind.)
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To: ArcLight
These ads are hamfisted, ill-considered, and likely to damage the Bush campaign.

This is one 527 that needs to STFU.

40 posted on 09/06/2004 9:31:37 AM PDT by Wormwood (Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
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To: jmstein7

Lawsuits are filed every day by entities not necessarily intending or expecting to win. It costs money to defend one's self against legal action, and discovery can open your entire private life to the scrutiny of the black hats. And the process takes time - MoveonforAmerica.org could be fighting legalized thuggery for years (and certainly for 60 some odd days, by which time the election will be over).


41 posted on 09/06/2004 9:32:32 AM PDT by asgardshill (GWB throws heat. JF'nK throws spitballs.)
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To: crushelits

Something doesn't smell right. The voice, the tone, just not well done. I smell a 'rat.


42 posted on 09/06/2004 9:32:43 AM PDT by Melinda
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To: Calpernia

Thanks for the ping!


43 posted on 09/06/2004 9:32:47 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: ArcLight
I totally agree, these ads are amateurish. There is plenty of ammunition that can be used against this fraud of a candidate, but with poor production values and slightly off target messages are used, it dilutes the bigger picture.
44 posted on 09/06/2004 9:32:51 AM PDT by loveitor.. (don't tread on me..not even once)
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To: Calpernia

You may want to ping again and note caution. This group is suspect.


45 posted on 09/06/2004 9:34:06 AM PDT by hobson (Rightest Warrior!)
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To: adam_az
The Blogspirator has an article with background info about the guy doing these ads...MoveOver Swifties: New 527 Exposes Kerry's "Willie Horton" Moment/Estrich has Carville "This Is Wah!" Moment

I think Carville puts at least two vowels in to War, and it comes out more like "This is Waw-ah"

46 posted on 09/06/2004 9:35:49 AM PDT by WashingtonSource (Freedom is not free)
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To: ArcLight; crushelits; Steven W.; FesterUSMC; adam_az
Curious...reserving judgement on whether this is a legit attempt to help W, or a sneak attempt to provoke a "backlash"...hard to say whether it will helpful in either case!

Adam, if "az" is "AZ", do you know anything about Stephen Marks? Talk show host in Phoenix? (good link, BTW!)

47 posted on 09/06/2004 9:36:12 AM PDT by 88keys
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To: asgardshill

Exactly... MoveOn would not waste its own money on a publicity stunt like that unless they thought they had a case. Their money is very tightly budgeted -- not because they are short of cash, but because they have calculated what they need for each leg of their media strategy. This is obvious to anyone following them.

Lawsuits -- especially in TM -- are costly.


48 posted on 09/06/2004 9:36:36 AM PDT by jmstein7 (A Judge not bound by the original meaning of the Constitution interprets nothing but his own mind.)
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To: crushelits

This (these new ads) will only hurt Bush and dilute the effectiveness of the Swift Boat heroes. Repeat, this will only hurt Bush and dilute the effectiveness of the Swift Boat heroes. Please do all you can to relegate these ads to the trashbin of history. The Democommies and their willing media accomplices are frothing at the mouth for something like this. It could cost Bush the election. That is not an over-reaction. The president's re-election is much too fragile. Newsweek and Time exaggerate the bounce...AP demonstrates what lengths the media will go to in the "crowd boos" lie...then, there will be events beyond Bush's or anybody's control....Think of it this way: When the media can change the vote of one person in 50, that is a 4-point swing...Say, theoretically, Bush leads, 52-48. A media lie changes the minds of 1 person in 50, equal to 2 in 100, away from Bush, and to Kerry..That means Bush drops from 52-48 lead to 50-50 tie. The running of these ads - which certainly appear, on the surface, at least - to be racist - can only harm Bush.


49 posted on 09/06/2004 9:36:55 AM PDT by line drive to right
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To: crushelits

Aren't we now in campaign reform's "dark" period, when TV ads can't mention or show candidates?


50 posted on 09/06/2004 9:37:08 AM PDT by John Jorsett
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