Posted on 08/25/2004 7:43:56 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
IMHO, too many are released too soon, and life should mean life.
AND the deceased vote. Not to mention the foreign vote, the undocumented vote, and the multiple vote.
Leslie Van Houten never killed anyone. She was an accessory to the crime.
This year has been an ongoing flash back to the bad old years.'
First Kerry and his Vietnam imbroligo.
Now it is the Manson clan again.
I guess next a bunch of Heroin injecting , dope smoking rock in rollers will wind up dead.
To watch and hear Leslie and Patricia talk now,
they "sound sincerely remorseful," but neither
deserve parole. Krenwinkle has stated as much.
FYI..reason I'm so curious..we live a few minutes from the women's prison in Bedford, NY..Our church does a lot of volunteer and outreach work there.. Do you remember the Scarsdale Dcotor case..when Jean Harris shot her lover because he was having an affair with his nurse..the doctor who got killed was in my medical group..I knew him casually. I too believed she shoudl stay inside till she died..Got to know her a little workig with her.. her parole was a contentious issue..she merited it, and she got released, and did fine on the outside..she was never a threat to ciety, but it was the notoriety of the case that kept her in years after she shoudl have been released..
I think that they have not been in jail half as long as they need to be. I will say however, if they decide o let them out, it should be required they live judge and his family.
What? Incoherent post question.
live with the judge.......sorry long day 5am est
Ok. ; )
Sleep tight!
She is truly evil.... I used to drive her and the other female canines from the women's jail to court every day and then have to haul them back.
You did???
I just saw a newscast, they said that they denied parole because of the heinousness of the killing.
I concur absolutely. And I'm not even humble about it.
But the victims' relatives speak up plenty and I'm right in their corner. Van Houten deserved to hang. Thanks to Rose Byrd she got out of that. Now she wants to get out of prison? I don't think so.
Thursday, June 24, 2004
The California Supreme Court yesterday declined to review a Court of Appeal ruling upholding the denial of parole to convicted killer Leslie Van Houten.
Justices voted 6-0 at yesterday’s conference to deny a petition for review by Van Houten, a follower of Charles Manson. Justice Janice Rogers Brown, who worked on parole issues while legal affairs secretary to then-Gov. Pete Wilson, recused herself.
A San Bernardino Superior Court judge had ordered the state Board of Prison Terms to reconsider its finding that Van Houten remains unsuitable for release after 35 years in custody, but the Fourth District Court of Appeal reversed in March.
Retired Judge Bob N. Krug, assigned by the chief justice, applied the wrong standard when he held that the board had failed to balance the heinousness of Van Houten’s crimes against her subsequent efforts at rehabilitation, the Fourth District’s Div. Two ruled.
Van Houten, Manson, and three other members of “The Family,” Manson’s collection of ‘60s counter-culture advocates who sought to create a race war in America with the expectation of rising to leadership in its aftermath, are serving life sentences for multiple murders.
Van Houten’s original conviction and sentence of death was overturned because her attorney disappeared in mid-trial. Her second trial ended with a hung jury, and the third trial resulted in concurrent life terms. The defendant, 19 at the time of the killings, admitted her involvement in the August 1969 murders of Leno and Rosemary La Bianca in their Cielo Drive home. One day earlier, actress Sharon Tate and four others were murdered at the home Tate rented with her husband, director Roman Polanski, who was in Europe at the time.
Van Houten was convicted of the La Bianca murders. She was not present during the Tate murders but was convicted of conspiracy to commit them.
Rosemary La Bianca was stabbed a total of 42 times, and Van Houten said at various times that she had herself stabbed the woman 14 or 16 times. Another Family member testified at Van Houten’s trial that the defendant admitted stabbing La Bianca after she was already dead and said “the more she did it the more fun it was.”
Van Houten became eligible for parole in 1978, but has been turned down by the board 13 times. She filed her petition for habeas corpus after being turned down in 2000, arguing that the board failed to give consideration to evidence that she has received consistently positive evaluations, has participated in self-improvement, service, education, and religious programs, and has a place to live and a job waiting if she is released.
Krug agreed. While Van Houten had committed horrible crimes, failing to weigh the positive factors, he said, effectively converted Van Houten’s term into “a sentence of life without parole, a sentence unauthorized by law.”
But Presiding Justice Manuel Ramirez, writing for the Court of Appeal, said that the courts must uphold the board’s exercise of its discretion to find an inmate unsuitable for parole as long as there is “some evidence” to support it. And that evidence can come solely from a review of the circumstances of the crime, Ramirez said.
The record of Van Houten’s 13 parole hearings, the jurist concluded, supports the board’s findings that the murders were “cruel and callous”; that they had an “inexplicable or very trivial” motive; that the La Biancas’ bodies were mutilated; and that Van Houten and the others sought to create unrest by making the killing appear racially motivated “by writing comments on the walls to make it look as if blacks had committed this crime in order to perpetuate the helter skelter as it was described by Charles Manson.”
(snip)
Was that during the trial when all the other members of the Family were staked out outside the courthouse? That must've made for a long day at work!
I read quite a bit about this case one time and I doubt she was ever really dangerous. Talk about getting mixed up with the wrong group of people. The exact thing our parents warned us about, but none of our parents imagined the Manson family in their worst nightmare.
She would have been cut loose years ago if not for the 'Manson' tag hanging over her.
A year later, they topped that dismal performance by sentencing what has turned out so far to be 40 million innocent unborn babies to death. Unbelievable.
They saved the lives of the most treacherous murderers and condemned the most innocent of innocents.
I still can't believe a society so backwards and callous that allows for that to happen.
Before the trial started, I was transferred from the jail (where the men were) to the transportation detail. Prior to my transfer, I had to get by them to get to work.
The Sheriff expected us to show up to work in coats and ties, then change into our uniforms. I showed up in shorts and a t shirt with my old Marine soft cap on my head and they paid no attention to me, but gave everybody else a ration of poop.
squeaky fromm (the one that tried to assasinate Gerald Ford was one of them with her little swastika carved into her forehead.
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