TWO Russian Airliners Have Crashed.

[ConservativeMan55]

Per Foxnews Alert. Into the red sea.

60 people aboard the first one.

[austingirl]

Welcome to FR!

[The KG9 Kid]

I'm surprised they may have found the second plane so quickly. There's a whole lot of nowhere in Russia.

[Wolfstar]

Thanks again, WCG. If it was terrorism in Russia, their government will say it was Chechen rebels -- whether or not that's true. (Looking forward to Bristol Saturday night, BTW.)

[Warren_Piece]

I've not ONCE discussed anything about aviation. Only probabilities and statistics. Have a nice evening.

[PrivateIdaho]

Discussing airliner crashes with people clueless about aviation...

Other than putting people down and continually implying you are some sort of expert... you have offered nothing other than "the first plane on Sept. 11th could have easily been an accident". That statement says all we need to know about your aviation expertise.

[Dog Gone]

One thing is for certain. The Abu-Hafs al-Masri Brigades will claim credit, like they claim for everything else, including blackouts in the US.

[samantha]

You are right,freepers will always call on the expert freepers to give their expert advice on a story and we frequently learn a lot. We do not need to insult other freepers and call them names because we feel superior in our knowledge about a subject. Pukin Dog is a good example of how to handle your superior knowledge without sounding like anyone else commenting is stupid,and not worthy of an opinion.

[maestro]

Investigaton to be called,.....'Yukos'.....?

/Soros

[Smogger]

Speaking of conspiracy. Does anyone have any idea what these usenet posts could mean. I was looking for some Russian news and I took a look at alt.Russia, which doesn't appear to get much traffic, except for these:

From: "Black Force" <blackforce_B@hotmail.com>
Subject: Command - Operation : Air Strike One - ID 5585964995
Date: Monday, August 23, 2004 2:30 AM


Send : 2004/08/23 - 11:29 - Total sending : 1525267959
Source : general coordination - Confirm receipt by radio and post network
Code identification : 5178592817
Process visual contact : 6609483308

Potential situation :
USA : 3445205616 - 3752398190
England : 3570780970 - 6556378881
Italy : 4115762056 - 3059849182
Africa : 3612873602 - 6885196933
Spain : 1566636852 - 9504852993
France : 465567983 - 8064256431
Asie : 4048721783 - 5957829657
Israel : 6867004962 - 3243045049
Level for all : 1916555996 - Max. Disponibility - 5858144712

Code ULUR - 1556625008 - 7838168483
Fiability Level Potential target : 2196515786 - 6097696338
Geographical exactitude : 6840808944 - 3982350991
Potential : 3475925789 - 1373107406
Type : 9884735229 - 7816172958
N-B-C : 8209314047 - 3941195600 - 9674444282
Origin : 2745000046 - 6418909578
Infiltration : 5215774693 - 2613274889

Actives : 1350980434 - 4562996423 - 280883615 - 810917910 - 9097307231 - 
8442629012 - 3313675059 - 2936711336 - 7307423999 - 5875154732 - 
3725576305 - 5760953140 - 4339429589 - 2793104785 - 3712120361 - 
9606899945 - 3167373637
Transfert : 
- City telephone code : 5265797188 - 1311065346
- Country telephone code :2253341466 - 5075264873
- Latitude : 19100242121407769458
- Longitude : 1776926043381282163
Targets : 
- Latitude : 47960104073616485588
- Longitude : 65469114332273278759
- Latitude : 39404487586996102318
- Longitude : 71222784733491653587
- Latitude : 41342945564221843977
- Longitude : 50885957186531715233
- Latitude : 40282277368537923157
- Longitude : 24235632426874507524
- Latitude : 28274109139847963941
- Longitude : 2952224864729959962

Evaluate danger : 1804315067 - 9976728642
Type : 5123327796 - 8878291952
Action to be underway

September : 7770266350 48665486816437086345
October : 2083683313 20836833138110198736
November : 2651264445 98015309508110160021
December : 4330671255 55917777337459475681

Order : 
4901927274140506691696479307357342727718568749224765984911839224765984911
8364190841309815,18554698940624818825095081154773373028968168904978680147
3138,376677235903533814303830691754744824363219004,3363072621805162161554
6793497892494958319000412764467439970222404263579474888457980234389183273
79937901804274616315623101476416677458406

Infiltrate - Neutralize - Eliminate
Point 1008364195 - Point 733681973 - Point 7560180955
Point 7577033326 - Point 992927128 - Point 3961316763
Point 7199107272 - Point 8126239962 - Point 7850842554
Point 5395923488 - Point 7715041390 - Point 9110805965
Point 7452835607 - Point 9808048322 - Point 3868144091
Point 1897740081 - Point 5317539771 - Point 1890927326
Point 815566122 - Point 7219812124 - Point 3382362571
Point 7367735122 - Point 9524196060 - Point 3163182988
Point 9286055434 - Point 6700634270 - Point 5315847278

Georges 

This is the last one from today:

From: "Black Force" <blackforce_B@hotmail.com>
Subject: ULUR Start Operation Strike Bowling
Date: Monday, August 23, 2004 2:02 PM



Command - Operation : Strike Bowling - ID 20242957 UNIFORM LIMA
Send : 2004/08/23 - 22:54 - Total sending : 3162142519
Source : general coordination - Confirm receipt by radio and post network
Code identification : 6129324379 9578554053
Process visual contact : 55548295503190907274

For ALL :

Extreme urgent

Start promptly Operation Strike Bowling. To be in the offing Nbc. 
Source: AQBL, to see God's hand in sth.

For Ann and Pierre :

To stick one's neck out in Pakistan. Return starting square and 
eliminate definitely. Operation rescue is ON. Important repeat : ON, she 
didn't want to bother to call.

Danger countdown : to set in motion. Other services : it's easy to be a 
big fish in a small pond.

Order : 
3641217534263257943098362508749654178684416317781148984926367781148984926
3677709896572730470231697880770984146282116019346563523936347893146798197
7140182373089800763144520281415675952369753249162478442858661731189125527
7158356327443200316025337867711362373542624867308248961448496655315064883
2856980954933827256287572834696421788

Good luck

Georges

 

What's funny is they only started around the 15th, and there are no replies (the group is just mostly spam).

The subjects are in order:

ULUR - Action Group: Dead Prophet
Operation: Clean Storm
Operation: Contact
and finally starting on the 20th of August Operation Air Strike One

 

[jriemer]

Accordingly to CBC News, Canada's National TV, President Putin is currently vacationing in Sochi ! ! !

Rostov-on-don is on the far western edge of Russia. Sochi is on the Georgian border.

Rostov-on-don

Sochi

[Warren_Piece]

Bristol - like watching people drive 100 miles per hour in a Walmart parking lot. Big fun!

[Dog]

Where?

[bonfire]

Maybe a game?

[max_rpf]

Chilcote didn't say...

[Dog Gone]

You're going to hate your screen name when you turn 32.

[texasflower]

Of course.

[NJ_gent]

"What on earth is wrong with people speculating — even if they do so in a declarative way?"

I just personally find it misleading and misinformative to declare that a certain explaination is the only possibility when it's such an inflammatory topic. I'm not saying that mods ought to remove the comments - just that I think it's a little irresponsible to post something like that without anything more than preliminary new reports as a base.

"After all, as noted, even Russian authorities are not ruling out terrorism as of latest reports."

Nor should they - nor should the DHS unless and until there is hard evidence that it's not terrorism. If indeed two planes went down within minutes of one another, that makes it all the more likely that it's the result of intentional actions - terrorism related or otherwise.

[Warren_Piece]

That would be an 8th grader thinking he's funny, that will soon be getting a visit from Homeland Security.

[texasflower]

You picked the perfect freeper to use as an example of how to educate, not irritate!

[ChadGore]

From:http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,10562267%255E661,00.html

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DEVELOPING STORYTerror fears as two planes crash
August 25, 2004

A TERRORIST attack is feared behind the simultaneous disappearance of two passenger jets in Russia overnight.

One of the missing aircraft is reportedly a Tupolev 154 / File

One airliner is confirmed crashed in central Russia while another is currently missing in the country's south.

They disappeared from radar coverage within minutes of each other shortly before 11pm Moscow time (5am AEST).

It is understood a total of 86 people were on board the two planes. Earlier reports suggested more than 100 people were aboard.

Investigators say they have not ruled out the possibility of a terrorist attack.

A Tu-134 aircraft with 34 passengers and eight crew on board was en route to Russia's southern city of Volgograd when it disappeared off radar screens late Tuesday, the ministry's spokeswoman Marina Ryklina said.

Its tail was later found near the village of Buchalki in the Tula region some 180km south of Moscow, Ms Ryklina said. The fate of passengers and crew was unclear.

Local emergency ministry officials cited witness reports of an explosion aboard before the airplane went down, Interfax news agency reported.

In a separate case, a Tu-154 airplane with 44 people on board went missing near the southern city of Rostov-on-Don while on the way to the Black Sea resort of Sochi, officials said.

There has been no word on survivors although there were conflicting reports on the numbers of passengers and crew aboard each aircraft.

Both planes departed from the same airport. Some reports say there were just three minutes between the disappearance of both planes.

In Washington, a senior US State Department official said: "We are obviously concerned by the news. We're following developments closely and trying to determine the facts."

AP, AFP

Herald Sun