FairTax Summit in Florida

August 20th, 2004 | AFFT

[Remember_Salamis]

Hello!

With the recent national media attention on tax reform alternatives we believe we are quite close to the tipping point on fundamental tax replacement. Our website has taken thousands of hits. Our 800 number is ringing off the wall. There is no question the time for positive action is now. We are working with both Presidential candidates staff and expect to get a senior surrogate speaker from both Bush and Kerry. The American people demand a fair and simple federal income and Social Security tax system. Come to Florida and make your views known.

We intend to keep this fire alive.
So we are having a conference, in Florida, in September, when the press will be crawling all over the state due to the hotly contested presidential and senatorial elections. And we'd like you there with us.

2004 Tax Policy & Jobs National Leadership Conference
September 17 through 19, 2004
Orlando, Florida
An invitation to attend

Why? Grassroots leadership is the key to actually moving reform forward. This conference brings together the top national, regional, and state leaders in tax policy, job growth, and economic development. We will examine the current alternatives to educate the grassroots and Congress in tax systems that make our country's goods more competitive at home and abroad, and provide sufficient funding for the reform and assurance of our Social Security system, while ensuring economic opportunities and stability for, and the welfare of, low-, lower middle-, and fixed-income Americans.

Our current tax system exports American jobs rather than American products.

The current income tax system drives up the cost of American manufactured goods and agricultural commodities, to say nothing of its complex, intrusive, inefficient, special-interest-driven nature. Not only does the current system decrease our competitiveness overseas, it increases domestic prices for those who can least afford to pay. Funding Social Security reform is almost as daunting as reform itself. The Social Security system is supported by a narrow, regressive payroll tax, levied heavily on low- and lower middle-income Americans. While Social Security system reform is clearly necessary, this is not the purpose of this conference. Determining a responsible, long-term funding solution for Social Security reform is a purpose for this conference.

Result? Bring job creation and Social Security reform-friendly tax policy to the forefront of our national economic debate.

Who? The Tax Policy & Jobs Conference is sponsored by National Tax Research Committee.

When? September 17 through 19, 2004

Where? Gaylord Palms Resort & Visitors Center, Interstate 4 @ Osceola Parkway East (Exit 65), Kissimmee (Orlando), Florida, right across the freeway from Disney World

Data for attendees

• Registration is $100.
• This conference is a summit. It is intended for leaders who move federal and state income and payroll tax policy and these tax systems' effects on job creation/competitiveness in the United States.
• This event is educational, nonpartisan, and will offer all viewpoints on tax reform where supporters are willing to present in person.
• Due to the media attention focused on Florida from both the presidential and the Florida senate race, it will be held there to heighten interest in the policy of these issues.
• There will be individual speakers and panels to educate attendees during general sessions.
• There will be booths available where attendees will learn more between general sessions.
• Register on line at https://secure.fairtaxvolunteer.org/registration/.

Very best regards,
Tom


Thomas A. Wright
Executive Director
FairTax.org
tom@fairtax.org
www.fairtax.org
1-800-FAIRTAX




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[Your Nightmare]

Try to comprehend the material in the links provided instead of creating an adhoc argument sometime

Maybe you should try to comprehend the material you link to. It discusses the compliance costs that could be borne in prices:

It’s time to sum the figures. Direct compliance costs, both in filing and in buying expert advice, exceed $100 billion. Direct tax-planning costs—consulting with lawyers, accountants, purveyors of tax shelters, and financial planners—exceed $35 billion.

That's $150 billion. And before you go off, revenue lost to the treasury due to evasion, distortions, and other costs to the economy are not seen in prices (although I'm sure you will try to say they are).

[ancient_geezer]

You're just makin' stuff up now to try and sound like you know what you're talking about.

Whistling through a graveyard YN, too bad you don't have a clue and are winging it as usual.

The NRST rate has nothing to do with the taxes "embedded" in prices right now.

The enacted NRST rate will be the one commensurate with current conditions, and is in the process of being established as we tinker around your little side issues instead of dealing with the fundamental purposes and goals of the bill.

1st, Repeal of the income/payroll tax system in its entirety, with a viable tax system not dependant of the 16th amendment.

2nd, Repeal the 16th amendment and prohibit the income tax by Constitutional amendment.

Bottomline:

"As a matter of fact, what the income tax does — and this is the debate that I think we always try to get into in order to let you and him fight, see — and the people of this country are led down a path where the actual control of their resources, which in the end is the control over their will, is handed off to the government."

. . .

"The government then manipulates that will in order to destroy the freedom of our electoral system through the income tax structure, and we call the resulting slavery a free system."

"In point of fact, it is not as the founders understood, and the only way to restore real freedom is to give people back control over the income that they earn so that they won‘t, at the voting booth and in other phony issues, be subject to that manipulation."

- KEYES TRANSCRIPT (01/28/02)

 

I discussed the importance of abolishing the income tax because of its tendency to form a habit of servility in the souls of a people that accepts it.

Servility of soul is bad not only in itself, it is also an open door through which will soon walk the abuses of ambitious government power.

Leaders who find themselves with governmental power over a servile people will be quick to conclude that such a people exist to serve them.

Alan Keyes 1999

Taxes & Government Spending:

• "The income tax in effect makes us vassals to the government – the politicians decide how much income we can keep. No mere “reform” of this slave tax, such as flattening the rate, can correct its fundamental denial of control over our own money. Only the abolition of the income tax itself will restore the basic American principle that our income is both our own money and our own private business - not the government's."

• "Replacing the income tax with a national sales tax would rejuvenate independence and responsibility in our citizens. True economic liberty and moral revival go hand in hand."

The intent of the structure of the individual income tax is for political and social mainpulation not revenue collection. The Individual Income tax is maintained to establish and hold every person in the country in perpetual legal jeopardy and to create artificial divisions among the electorate (rich vs. poor; big business vs. the little guy; etc).

Considering those factors, it is always good to remember the philosophical roots of the left which can be found here: Manifesto of the Communist Party, by Karl Marx and Frederick Engels, published in 1848. Holding #2 in the list of tactical toolbox is "A heavy progressive or graduate income tax." to achieve there dominant goal:

"The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralize all instruments of production in the hands of the state ... . Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property ... . These measures will, of course, be different in different countries. Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable. "

[ancient_geezer]

That's $150 billion. And before you go off, revenue lost to the treasury due to evasion, distortions, and other costs to the economy are not seen in prices (although I'm sure you will try to say they are).

Better back up to #221 my freind you are a day late and a dollar short.

[ancient_geezer]

And the fact that overhead factors are increasing with passage of time, reply #227

[Your Nightmare]

All your "sources" contradict each other. You pick one point from one, something else from another, and try to piece it together into some type of coherent conclusion that fits your desired outcome. But all you've done is create a unbelievable mess. You are the Dr. Frankenstein of economics.

[lewislynn]

0.65 * $2,025 billion = 1.316 Trillion. in 2000.

And get a refresher course in arithmetic. Concentrate real hard

LOL! Were you saying something about concentration? It's really hard for you to not skew the numbers isn't it?

I'm still waiting for that demonstration on how you can reduce yout rent 20% and not lose money...It should be no problem for you, you're such a mathematician and all

[ancient_geezer]

All your "sources" contradict each other. You pick one point from one, something else from another, and try to piece it together into some type of coherent conclusion that fits your desired outcome. But all you've done is create a unbelievable mess. You are the Dr. Frankenstein of economics.

I understand now, you are are limited to a single track and unable to collate information across extended time frames different authors.

That's unfortunate but enlightening as to why you hold to the belief system you do.

[Your Nightmare]

"Collate"!?! Is that what you call it?

[ancient_geezer]

"Collate"!?! Is that what you call it?

Sorry to inform you of one of the basics of life you seem to have missed in what could only be assumed to be a spoon fed existence, the unfortunate fact is information is always spread out among many sources.

In a perfect world everything would be all together in one precise paper, the answers with 6 decimal place crystal ball accuracy, and easily found and available to all for view.

But in the real world, one collates the resource available and if real lucky might not be directly charged for it.

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?collate

Main Entry: col·late
Pronunciation: k&-'lAt, kä-, kO-; 'kä-", 'kO-"
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): col·lat·ed; col·lat·ing
Etymology: back-formation from collation
1 a : to compare critically b : to collect , compare carefully in order to verify, and often to integrate or arrange in order
2 [Latin collatus, past participle] : to institute (a cleric) to a benefice
3 a : to verify the order of (printed sheets) b : to assemble in proper order; especially : to assemble (as printed sheets) in order for binding
synonym see COMPARE

[Your Nightmare]

1 a : to compare critically b : to collect , compare carefully in order to verify, and often to integrate or arrange in order

Well you obviously aren't collating.

[lewislynn]

You're quoting Keyes as you expert now?

I wasn't aware Keyes was an expert on taxation.

Do you have a link in your massive link file to his qualifications as being one?

[rwfromkansas]

Thought is usually something you should consider doing prior to posting.

Thanks.

[ancient_geezer]

You're quoting Keyes

Yes.

I wasn't aware Keyes was an expert on taxation.

Your awarness isn't required.

Do you have a link in your massive link file to his qualifications as being one?

I don't need one.

[GSlob]

"Thought is usually something you should consider doing prior to posting."
Maybe you should start thinking yourself (I know, it hurts):
Whatever you might have saved by now (in after-tax accounts) - now you can withdraw it and spend the money with minimal taxation (sales tax is low to non-existent in some places like NH). If consumption tax is introduced, then the same money saved by you (and already taxed - you saved from what was left after income taxes) will be happily taxed again, in form of large sales tax, as soon as you start spending it.
If you believe that the sellers are so full of civic spirit that they would lower their prices correspondingly (the government cannot force them), then may I interest you in a few shares of interest in a slightly used bridge in NYC? I promise not to charge any tax on that sale.