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School Bullying in an "Enlightened" Socialist State
Reuters.com - Oddly Enough News Articles ^ | Tuesday, August 17, 2004, 09:43 AM ET | Alister Doyle

Posted on 08/17/2004 2:09:18 PM PDT by Che Chihuahua

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Zero tolerance as an educational policy seldom works and often produces silly results. In one Southern California elementary school, there was a young girl suspended for having a charm bracelet with a gun charm on it. This suspension was the result of a school district zero tolerance policy of "weapons" on school campuses.

But human nature always trumps artificial policies and this makes zero tolerance policies very difficult to enforce. Even with a stringent zero tolerance of bullying policy, there will always be some kids that are going to be "victimized." Usually the kids that are most likely to be bullied are "super dorks" like John "Sister Boy" Kerry, Howard "Screaming Girl" Dean, and Michael "The Pig Boy who eats his own boogers" Moore.

1 posted on 08/17/2004 2:09:19 PM PDT by Che Chihuahua
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To: Che Chihuahua

> She said snide remarks and condescension were often just as hurtful as any physical abuse.

Moron.

One can ignore a snide remark. I challenge anyone to ignore a broken nose.


2 posted on 08/17/2004 2:18:16 PM PDT by orionblamblam
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You are very wrong. Verbal abuse from kids can drive some kids to suicide. It is a huge problem.


3 posted on 08/17/2004 2:21:19 PM PDT by Nachum (Kerry spells "Fine Dining")
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To: Che Chihuahua

Can't parents teach their kids anything themselves? These bullying programs are often just used to teach acceptance of homosexuality and things like that. Show me the kid that doesn't already know bullying is wrong. All the schools should do is punish physical offenders and call parents regarding verbal offenders. Let the parents handle that one. Beyond that, get with teaching the basics and give parents back their parenting job.


4 posted on 08/17/2004 2:21:25 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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She said snide remarks and condescension were often just as hurtful as any physical abuse.

Solution: Speech Codes of course.

But human nature always trumps artificial policies

News bulletin to the Do-gooders: Please read previous line.

Didn't they solve their antiSemitism "problem" by requiring 10 witnesses to any occurence? The "problem" cleared right up.

5 posted on 08/17/2004 2:24:17 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Part of the Reagan legacy is to re-elect G.W. Bush))
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To: Che Chihuahua
Usually the kids that are most likely to be bullied are "super dorks" like John "Sister Boy" Kerry, Howard "Screaming Girl" Dean, and Michael "The Pig Boy who eats his own boogers" Moore.

LOL Your're right. I've seen their "baby" photos posted right here on FRee Republic.

6 posted on 08/17/2004 2:26:14 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Part of the Reagan legacy is to re-elect G.W. Bush))
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To: orionblamblam

Words DO hurt. Ask any black child who has been called "nigger".


7 posted on 08/17/2004 2:28:37 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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Do you mean called that by a white kid or by another black kid?


8 posted on 08/17/2004 2:34:21 PM PDT by TalonDJ (wanted: witty and insightful tag line)
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To: Nachum

> Verbal abuse from kids can drive some kids to suicide.

How about fatal beatings? If you administer a fatal beating to a kid, would that maybe drive that kid to suicide?

Words don't kill, can't kill. Beatings can.


9 posted on 08/17/2004 2:37:16 PM PDT by orionblamblam
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Even Prime Minister Kjell Magne Bondevik admits the two-year scheme launched in 2002 is optimistic in its goal of eradicating bullying from the start of the school year Wednesday.

Never, ever commit to solving a problem before your final reelection campaign. A 10-year plan for eradicating bullying would have been no more (or less) effective, but would eliminate the embarassing failure before reelection.

10 posted on 08/17/2004 2:40:22 PM PDT by Onelifetogive
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Specifically, assign security personell to watch over every interaction between students and have them report back to their superiors daily.

Write reports of the days action, cite specific incidences of "bullying", prepare for ajudication of said offenses once a week. Punishment shall start off light with isolation and menial labor , proceeding eventually to suspension, expulsion and imprisonment.

Bullying WILL be eradicated. repeat offenders will be segragated and ostracized, using the criminal system as a last resort. Childeren WILL behave like adults, or they WILL be punished.

11 posted on 08/17/2004 2:41:27 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: Blood of Tyrants

> Words DO hurt.

What's the word that will break someone's arm? Sounds handy. Maybe something like these...? "Wenn ist das Nunstruck git und Slotermeyer? Ja!... Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput."

Or maybe... "Anál nathrach, orth’ bháis’s bethad, do chél dénmha."


> Ask any black child who has been called "nigger".

By Tupac Shakur or Chris Rock, perhaps?


12 posted on 08/17/2004 2:42:40 PM PDT by orionblamblam
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How about fatal beatings?

I am not minimizing that at all. Physical abuse is horrible. I know that well.

The only thing that I am pointing out is that teen suicide is a huge problem and mostly NOT from physical abuse or threats of physical abuse. There are huge numbers of kids suffering from depression and they do commit suicide. The isolation and hurt a child feels from their fellow school mates is a formidible problem and can contribute to suicidal depression. Suicide is the third leading cause of death for 15-to-24-year-olds, and the sixth leading cause of death for 5-to-14-year-olds.

13 posted on 08/17/2004 2:43:33 PM PDT by Nachum (Kerry spells "Fine Dining")
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> The only thing that I am pointing out is that teen suicide is a huge problem and mostly NOT from physical abuse or threats of physical abuse.

And how much of it has to do with the shallow lives teens live? How big of a deal was teen suicide, say, 75 years ago?

Buncha damned whiners...

> Suicide is the third leading cause of death for 15-to-24-year-olds

Darwinian evolution in action, I'm afraid. Some people select themselves out of the gene pool.


14 posted on 08/17/2004 2:49:31 PM PDT by orionblamblam
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To: Che Chihuahua

So, when do they plan on exposing children to the real world? Will they remain in their safe, socialist coccoons all their lives and watch helplessly as someone stabs their prime minister to death in a crowded mall, hoping that real men come to their rescue?

15 posted on 08/17/2004 2:50:57 PM PDT by struwwelpeter
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How much of the teen suicide problem is drug-related? In my admittedly limited experience, drugs are a significant factor.


16 posted on 08/17/2004 2:56:47 PM PDT by walden
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To: Nachum

Yep, and Reuters says "oddly enough!"


17 posted on 08/17/2004 2:59:52 PM PDT by oblomov
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Drugs are indeed a significant factor. But one cannot discount clinical depression or anxiety which brought on by a number of other causes also.
18 posted on 08/17/2004 3:11:46 PM PDT by Nachum (Kerry spells "Fine Dining")
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School itself is the problem; locking a bunch of immature packets of boundless energy up for 6-7 hours a day would lead to chaotic behavior regardless of the prescence of rules.


19 posted on 08/17/2004 3:18:12 PM PDT by Old Professer (Neither pot nor kettle shall reflect light in the darkness of oppression.)
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To: orionblamblam; The Ghost of FReepers Past; Mister Baredog; Onelifetogive; struwwelpeter
At some point, parents have to step up to the plate and watch out for their kids. When I was getting bullied in junior high school, my old man taught me some boxing moves. Now I didn't win every fight that I got into, but I got enough respect so that I never got in another fight in the rest of my sentence in the public school system.

Life is a raging bastard, so you might as well learn quickly to deal with bullies, harassers, and crappy bosses. Coddling never helps anyone, nor does a constant diet of abuse. The key is a balanced approach to life: only fight when you have to, but always stand up for yourself and what you believe in.

20 posted on 08/17/2004 7:04:33 PM PDT by Che Chihuahua (Forty years of societal deconstruction is enough! Vote out democrats.)
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