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FEDS WANT CARS EQUIPPED WITH 'BLACK BOXES'
New York Post ^ | 8/04/04 | AP

Posted on 08/04/2004 12:57:35 AM PDT by kattracks

August 4, 2004 -- WASHINGTON — The National Transportation Safety Board yesterday recommended for the first time that the federal government require passenger vehicles to be equipped with black boxes that record speed, seat-belt use, braking and other factors. The safety board's recommendation arose from its investigation into the July 16, 2003, farmers market crash in Santa Monica, Calif.

Safety investigators were unable to interview the elderly driver who stepped on the gas instead of the brake, plowing into the open-air market, killing 10 and injuring 63.

The board concluded that investigators could have gained a better scientific understanding of the driver's behavior had his 1992 Buick LeSabre been outfitted with an event-data recorder.


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1 posted on 08/04/2004 12:57:35 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
SAY NO

even Republican administrations are just socialist-lite.

2 posted on 08/04/2004 12:58:30 AM PDT by GeronL (geocities.com/geronl is back)
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To: kattracks

Will they record if you're picking your nose while talking on a cell phone?


3 posted on 08/04/2004 1:00:02 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Do Chernobyl restaurants serve Curied chicken?)
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To: kattracks

Saabs and Volvos already have them...


4 posted on 08/04/2004 1:04:45 AM PDT by fdsa2 (Blair = Kelly donĀ“t you forget that!)
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To: kattracks

It's a closely guarded secret that the Texas State Department of Public Safety has been installing voice recorders in cars for years. 90% of the time a driver's last recorded words before an accident are "Hold muh beer an' watch this!".


5 posted on 08/04/2004 1:08:09 AM PDT by Redcloak (<insert clever tagline here>)
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To: fdsa2

I've been told that my '98 GM does, too.


6 posted on 08/04/2004 1:10:27 AM PDT by scott7278 (Kerry/Edwards: More Affordable Hair Care for America)
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To: kattracks
FEDS WANT CARS EQUIPPED WITH 'BLACK BOXES'

Sure, a freebie and I can't chose my favorite color. ; )

That's government for ya'. Freedom of choice is lost....

Sorry, I will refrain for I'm going to bed now.....

7 posted on 08/04/2004 1:17:54 AM PDT by EGPWS
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To: EGPWS

To solve the problem, let the black box drive da car.


8 posted on 08/04/2004 2:13:33 AM PDT by meenie
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To: fdsa2

UR Joking....right?


9 posted on 08/04/2004 3:37:43 AM PDT by Meldrim
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To: kattracks

Government is not the solution to the problem. Government IS the problem


10 posted on 08/04/2004 3:40:26 AM PDT by BSunday
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To: kattracks
The board concluded that investigators could have gained a better scientific understanding of the driver's behavior

Are these people morons ? What the heck do you need to know besides the fact he stepped on the accelerator instead of the brake ?

11 posted on 08/04/2004 3:42:18 AM PDT by BSunday (1984)
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To: kattracks

why not just assign a govt watchdog to each taxpayer....follow them 24-7
get more people working.....

Of course if I were paid to lobby for the 'black box' company...I would feel differently


12 posted on 08/04/2004 3:43:18 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: kattracks

The FEDs' job is to make criminals out of more Americans, and little more. Legislators write laws. The more laws on the books, the more choice exists to either obey or break them. Those who break the law become criminals. (unless they're Democrats...)

A vehicle-mounted "black box" is another lawyer's tool designed to permit post-crash nitpicking to fix the blame or avoid culpability, depending upon which side you're on and who has more $. It has little to do with improving driving safety and preventing accidents. What good is it seeing that a driver had been wreckless after he's plowed into something? We could probably make a pretty good guess at that...

Fact of the matter is, the overwhelming majority of traffic accidents occur because someone did something stupid, dangerous, negligent or illegal. How about doing something rational to prevent traffic deaths -- like enforcing CURRENT laws and getting rid of liberal judges who repeatedly let drunk drivers climb back behind the wheel?


13 posted on 08/04/2004 3:43:20 AM PDT by DJ Frisat
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To: Meldrim
Actually the list I found shows most GM models, some Fords (but Ford claims their device isn't technically an EDM "Event Data Monitor") and IsuzuList of all vehicles with an EDR on board.

For 2004 Fords they list the T-Bird, F-150, Explorer and Lincoln LS.

14 posted on 08/04/2004 4:15:18 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Tell Asa Hutchinson to restart the border patrol's sweeps for illegals again!!)
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To: kattracks
A lot of rental cars already have these... and the rental agencies happily tack on additional fees after finding out that you exceeded the speed limit, or traveled out of a certain region.

Personally, I'll keep my 20 year old diesel pickup forever. No computers, no black boxes, no electronics to kill the engine when they invariably fail.

15 posted on 08/04/2004 4:16:02 AM PDT by gieriscm
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To: kattracks
Never say this can't happen.

Remember when telling proprietors they can't let customers smoke seemed bizarre? When the thought that the government could tell you to buckle up or else... seemed absurd?

What a lovely way this would be to track where people are at all times. <^..^>

16 posted on 08/04/2004 4:19:14 AM PDT by grania ("Won't get fooled again")
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...black boxes that record speed, seat-belt use, braking and other factors.

Speed, seat-belt use, braking... why have a trial! The car can be your "secret witness" when you're in a fender bender. Playing devil's advocate, I've had friends killed in vehicle accidents that weren't explained. One was a single vehicle accident on a freeway. No indication he was at fault. A black box might've indicated whether he swerved to avoid being hit. Another friend was killed head on by a full-size truck trying to make a left-hand-turn. A black box might've given his 1 yr old son and widow some justice in a prosecution of the reckless youth in the truck.

Such a thing might be a necessary step towards the automated highway future. Driving *is* a priveledge, not a right afterall.

17 posted on 08/04/2004 4:21:58 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Tell Asa Hutchinson to restart the border patrol's sweeps for illegals again!!)
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Driving *is* a priveledge, not a right afterall.

An oft-repeated untruth: Show me where the government is authorized to confer such a privilege, or to limit my travel in any way unless I break a law. (Which, by the way, is WHY the government wants to make criminals of us all.)

Freedom to travel is a hallmark of a free society.

18 posted on 08/04/2004 4:44:39 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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Actually there is a problem that the article does not cover, ALL cars manufactured and sold in the USA are equipped with this 'black-box' more commonly known as the computer.

Law Enforcement and Insurance companies already have the ability to read your post 1996 vehicle crash data.

The use of this crash ALARM is to further the monitoring of all vehicular travel in the USA

Google OBD III and learn, below is one example...

http://www.loompanics.com/cgi-local/SoftCart.exe/Articles/YourCar.html?E+scstore

19 posted on 08/04/2004 5:36:34 AM PDT by kemosabe (Sheesh...'Opus' has it down pat,,,)
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To: eno_
"Freedom to travel is a hallmark of a free society."

True. And you are free to travel anywhere you wish. But nowhere is it written that you have the 'right' to drive there.

Sorry, driving legally is a *privilege*. If it wasn't, Illegals could drive, right?

20 posted on 08/04/2004 6:00:35 AM PDT by Condor51 (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. -- Gen G. Patton Jr)
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